The black hole is happening. So it exists. So either the observations are wrong or the undeying assumptions are wrong or math / physics we are using to make sense of the event is wrong.
Click-bait articles serve no purpose in advancing science.
Black holes only become destructive/powerful when you are very close to them.
To elaborate: A black hole is mass, a sun is mass. From a distance there's no difference. The only difference is up close - you can get a lot closer to a black hole dramatically increasing the gravitational force.
But from a distance? Nothing special.
These jets can kill from a long distance.
So maybe both of these black holes formed from earlier mergers of smaller black holes. Or maybe there are other ways to make larger black holes we don't know about. They are in a range of mass we don't really expect to see theoretically.
Or do we just call it a collision if they simply get as close to each other as to be within the event horizon of the other?
If the former and we see these true collisions, how is it not a proof the age of the universe is infinite ? If we see events that are supposed to take infinitely long to occur?
thaumasiotes•7h ago
The numbers in the article suggest a violation of conservation of mass:
> Today, the LIGO Collaboration announced the detection of the most colossal black hole merger known to date, the final product of which appears to be a gigantic black hole more than 225 times the mass of the Sun.
> GW231123, first observed on November 23, 2023, seems to be an unprecedented beast of a black hole merger. Two enormous black holes—137 and 103 times the mass of the Sun—managed to keep it together despite their immense combined mass
Is the explanation here "225 is a nice round number, and 240 is technically 'more than' that", or "a lot of mass evaporates into other forms of energy when black holes merge", or "during a merge, it becomes possible for matter to escape an event horizon", or what?
jraines•7h ago
maxbond•6h ago
bot403•5h ago
ikari_pl•2h ago
Bluestein•2h ago
nine_k•4h ago
OTOH whatever else may be outside the black holes near the merger and count towards their mass for astronomical purposes, such as accretion discs, should be much lighter weight than what's inside the event horizon.
ars•4h ago
The waves are actually made just to the outside of the event horizon.
berkes•1h ago
Was my understanding wrong all along?
david38•7h ago
NooneAtAll3•6h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_stars lists only 2 stars more massive than that
thaumasiotes•6h ago
pfdietz•5h ago
thaumasiotes•5h ago
naasking•3h ago
dskloet•1h ago
chasil•4h ago
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a65038572/...
raverbashing•1h ago
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Bluestein•2h ago
... and give it a go: "Yo mama is so big she can't even collide with a black hole" (or something ...)