What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs.
What stops this from being the future?
It never ends. There's no moat. One day your at-home GPU will unwind an entire hyperscaler's worth of expertise.
Does the capital outlay get them anything at all apart from a temporary lead?
While you couldn't download a car, your product use might train a low-cost competitor.
I've had Claude 3.5, Grok 3, and DeepSeek claim that it was made by OpenAI.
I wonder does OpenAI has permission from all authors of works it "inappropriately distilled"? A pirate has no right to complain about safety of navigation.
I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B.
The rulings are leaning towards it being transformative enough to be fair use, so permission may not be required [1]. We'll have to see how it goes with Disney vs Midjourney.
> I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B.
This would be pointless with China, since it's already how they operate, as continuously reported by the WTO.
But, I see your point.
[1] https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/two-california-distr...
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