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Busy beaver hunters reach numbers that overwhelm ordinary math

https://www.quantamagazine.org/busy-beaver-hunters-reach-numbers-that-overwhelm-ordinary-math-20250822/
70•defrost•2d ago

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tocs3•1d ago
I really like the Busy Beaver stuff. I wish I had been exposed to it (at lest enough to play with it some) in high school. It reminds me some of Jorge Luis Borges' story "The Library of Babel".

Does anybody know of other interesting problems in the Busy Beaver space?

adgsfhj•2h ago
Fictionally, maybe the Mandelbrot Maze mentioned in Arthur C. Clarke’s 3001:

> Their approach was more subtle; they persuaded their host machine to initiate a program which could not be completed before the end of the universe, or which - the Mandelbrot Maze was the deadliest example - involved a literally infinite series of steps.

https://archive.org/stream/SpaceOdyssey_819/3001_The_Final_O...

db48x•16m ago
I loved that part of the book. I thought it was so cool how they thoroughly scrubbed the Internet of these dangerous programs, and then stored the very last copy on a disk in an ancient lava tube on the moon, just in case.
twiceaday•2h ago
https://www.scottaaronson.com/papers/bb.pdf

This paper contains many conjectures around BB that could be interesting to some.

gpm•2h ago
Collatz conjecture - and I would have said that even before we solved BB up until it reduces to collatz-like problems.
poulpy123•1h ago
Ah yes the totally new math of exponentiation
xelxebar•1h ago
Pentation? How quaint. For other Large Number fans, David Metzler has a wonderful playlist that goes way down the rabbit hole of the fast growing hierarchy:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3A50BB9C34AB36B3

Highly recommended.

Almost all of these mind-bogglingly large numbers are built around recursion, like the Ackermann function, which effectively has an argument for the number of Knuth up arrows to use. Then you can start thinking about feeding the Ackermann function into that slot and enjoy the sense of vertigo at how insane that becomes.

I find it fascinating how quickly the machinery of specifying large numbers probes the limits of what's definable within the mathematical systems we use.

Workaccount2•1h ago
There is something awesome about incredibly large finite numbers. People gush about infinity, but I find it to be a pretty boring concept compared to finite numbers too large to even be written in this universe.
xelxebar•49m ago
Indeed! Funnily enough, there seems to be something similar going on between defining large finite numbers and defining large countable cardinals.
Waterluvian•33m ago
Yeah!

Like, there is a perfectly finite number, but is so large that there simply isn’t enough information in the universe to encode it in any format. How cool is that to just think about for a while?

charcircuit•26m ago
There is enough information if you assume reality is continuous. Pick a point A to be the origin. Then then you can encode the number by placing something at 1/N meters away from the origin.
xenotux•1h ago
There is a downvoted comment that reads "ah yes the totally new math of exponentiation". The snark is uncalled for, but that's actually the essence of this article: it talks about repeated exponentiation as if it were some profound mathematical discovery.

It isn't. The article neglects to explain what makes busy beaver numbers interesting in the first place. And I think it's symptomatic of Quanta Magazine articles that feature on HN several times a week. A profoundly-sounding title and pleasant writing, but not much essence beyond that.

defrostr•39m ago
I usually get drawn into their posts also and didn’t realize they were low value; my IQ must not be high enough to differentiate. What would you recommend as alternative sources?

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