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249•natalie3p•6h ago•183 comments
Open in hackernews

Launch HN: Recall.ai (YC W20) – API for meeting recordings and transcripts

50•davidgu•6h ago
Hey HN, we're David and Amanda from Recall.ai (https://www.recall.ai). Today we’re launching our Desktop Recording SDK, a way to get meeting data without a bot in the meeting: https://www.recall.ai/product/desktop-recording-sdk. It’s our biggest release in quite a while so we thought we’d finally do our Launch HN :)

Here’s a demo that shows it producing a transcript from a meeting, followed by examples in code: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4croAGGiKTA . API docs are at https://docs.recall.ai/.

Back in W20, our first product was an API that lets you send a bot participant into a meeting. This gives developers access to audio/video streams and other data in the meeting. Today, this API powers most of the meeting recording products on the market.

Recently, meeting recording through a desktop form factor instead of a bot has become popular. Many products like Notion and ChatGPT have added desktop recording functionality, and LLMs have made it easier to work with unstructured transcripts. But it’s actually hard to reliably record meetings at scale with a desktop app, and most developers who want to add recording functionality don’t want to build all this infrastructure.

Doing a basic recording with just the microphone and system audio is fairly straightforward since you can just use the system APIs. But it gets a lot harder when you want to capture speaker names, produce a video recording, get real-time data, or run this in production at large scale:

- Capturing speaker names involves using accessibility APIs to screen-scrape the video conference window to monitor who is speaking at what time. When video conferencing platforms change their UI, we must ship a change immediately, so this keeps working.

- Producing a video recording that is clean, and doesn’t capture the video conferencing platform UI involves detecting the participant tiles, cropping them out, and compositing them together into a clean video recording.

- Because the desktop recording code runs on end-user machines, we need to make it as efficient as possible. This means writing highly platform-optimized code, taking advantage of hardware encoders when available, and spending a lot of time doing profiling and performance testing.

Meeting recording has zero margin for failure because if anything breaks, you lose the data forever. Reliability is especially important, which dramatically increases the amount of engineering effort required.

Our Desktop Recording SDK takes care of all this and lets developers build meeting recording features into their desktop apps, so they can record both video conferences and in-person meetings without a bot.

We built Recall.ai because we experienced this problem ourselves. At our first startup, we built a tool for product managers that included a meeting recording feature. 70% of our engineering time was taken up by just this feature! We ended up starting Recall.ai to solve this instead. Since then, over 2000 companies use us to power their recording features, e.g. Hubspot for sales call recording, Clickup for their AI note taker. Our users are engineering teams building commercial products for financial services, telehealth, incident management, sales, interviewing, and more. We also power internal tooling for large enterprises.

Running this sort of infrastructure has led to unexpected technical challenges! For example, we had to debug a 1 in 36 million segfault in our audio encoder (https://www.recall.ai/blog/debugging-a-1-in-36-000-000-segfa...), we encountered a Postgres lock-up that only occurs when you have tens of thousands of concurrent writers (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44490510), and we saved over $1M a year on AWS by optimizing the way we shuffle data around between our processes (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42067275).

You can try it here: https://www.recall.ai. It's self-serve with $5 of free credits. Pricing starts at $0.70 for every hour of recording, prorated to the second. We offer volume discounts with scale.

All data recorded through Recall.ai is the property of our customers, we support 0-day retention, and we don’t train models on customer data.

We would love your feedback!

Comments

bingemaker•3h ago
Pardon my ignorance, but is recording a call without informing the other participants considered bad practice?

Congrats on the launch! :tada:

monkeydust•3h ago
Also wondering this.
davidgu•3h ago
You're right, and I agree that participants should be aware when they’re being recorded

Because consent laws are complex and vary by region and industry, we leave the consent flow to the developer and we provide the tools and guidance to do it correctly. As with our Meeting Bot API, we also urge teams to follow local laws and make recording clearly visible to users

bingemaker•3h ago
Thanks for the clarification.
rsingel•3h ago
It's illegal in some states, legal in others.

Consult Linda Tripp

bingemaker•3h ago
Wish she was around!
berz01•3h ago
70 cents per hour is a mountain of fees... basically a $1 per meeting. Sheesh.
davidgu•3h ago
$0.70/hr is our starter rate for low-volume testing. In production, developers will see higher usage and choose to commit to volume and longer-term usage. Because of this, we've seen most teams don’t pay the starter price once they scale beyond early pilots
galaxy_gas•3h ago
Is this with active speech or you pay in every second of silence too?
davidgu•2h ago
Usage includes silent time too as we are still processing the media streams
galaxy_gas•2h ago
What is the value in paying this massive cost when Teams, Zoom all support ootb?
davidgu•2h ago
Enabling transcription/recordings per platform and remembering to record creates user-dependent setup. Also the host often needs to install apps which adds security friction, and you still have to build/maintain separate implementations for Zoom/Meet/Teams which is often a cost that devs don't want to deal with

Instead, we built a single API that can get the same results without the issues mentioned above so you can focus on building the features your users care about

nduncan_hmc•53m ago
It is a lot but processing real time video and audio streams inherently consumes alot of CPU. So they may not be making as much profit on that price as you'd think.

I run an open source alternative to Recall (for meeting bots), and our costs are about 8 cents per hour.

iddan•3h ago
Congrats on the launch! I'm working on a new tool for startups sales (https://closer.so) and in many customer interviews the point of not wanting the bot in the meeting kept coming up. I love how Recall keeps brining frontier tech as APIs
wferrell•2h ago
Out of interest, what is the thinking behind sending a physical mailer to what feels like a large fraction of San Francisco?

Both why send it and why send it with very little info included on the page?

davidgu•2h ago
Did you get one? :) This was a part of our Series B raise to help get our name out
orliesaurus•2h ago
Congrats on ur launch. Amanda has the strongest LinkedIn game I have ever seen in my life. On the other hand the product is IMHO at risk? Models like Whisper, DistilWhisper, TinyLlama, miniGPT-4, OpenHermes, Vosk, and Llama.cpp make Recall.ai meeting transcription easy to replicate. IMHO in 1 weekend you can build an open-source tech stacks that can rival or EVEN surpass the value brought....or am I tripping?
chaos_emergent•1h ago
Customer here, you're tripping. Recall provides transcription as an auxiliary service, not their core value prop.

Recall is, at its core, an API for bot recording. As someone building an application that relies heavily on conversational data, recording meetings is really important. Recall makes that process as easy as an API call, standardized across various meeting platforms. It's a huge PITA to set up infrastructure to get bots to join meetings that handle each platforms' proclivities, encoding and storing video data, etc.

The transcription service is just something they do to make transcribing recordings - one of the most common first post-processing steps for any conversational data - easier and lower friction.

davidgu•1h ago
Amanda says thank you so much!

I actually agree that it’s become incredibly easy to transcribe conversations using open-source models, and that’s not where Recall adds the most value. The hard part is building the infrastructure that allows you to get real-time access to the raw audio, video, and transcript data directly from the meeting platforms. We abstract all of that away and provide you with a clean interface to access that data. Once you get the data, you could use any of the models that you mentioned to do your own transcription, or transcribe using Recall’s transcription models.

Hansenq•2h ago
Wow, congrats on finally using up your single Launch HN, David and Amanda! :wink:

No but seriously, y'all have built not only an incredible product that I had the chance to demo, but a great company as well, through your previous pivots and cofounder changes. You're building schlep tools that product companies _definitely_ don't want to do, years before it was clear there was a market here, and do it well.

There's definitely demand for a native screen recorder, and I think it's the right move to be agnostic to privacy (the lower down the stack you go, the more permissable you should be about use-cases). Imagine how much competition in file storage there would have been had there been an API provider for Dropbox's Finder sync technology (though you could argue it just incentivizes large companies like Hubspot to build their own screen recording feature into their platform, rather than enabling new startups like Gong but I digress).

Y'all deserve the success that you have, and wishing you all the best of luck with the new product launch!

davidgu•1h ago
Thanks! Really appreciate the kind words
apollopower•1h ago
Congrats Recall team, I've been a customer for the past 1.5 years and the entire infra layer behind meetings has let our company really focus on "what makes our beer taste better" instead of having to worry about building universal support for different (and tedious) platforms like Teams and Zoom. Eager to give the desktop recording sdk a try soon.
davidgu•1h ago
Thanks and love to hear this!
giveita•55m ago
I have Loom recorded a Zoom meeting so get it. I think for corporates though the integrated approaches are so so convenient. Have your meeting and get a summary email by doing nothing (or one click opt in). I feel like your solution is for edge cases where the mainstream ways are not possible.
davidgu•36m ago
Just to clarify, we’re the infra layer that reliably captures and normalizes meeting data across platforms. The real value for users is what developers build on top: automated analysis, enrichment, and workflows (not the capture itself)

Modern LLMs can power sales coaching, medical scribing, legal review, support QA, and compliance reporting but they need consistent inputs to process. We handle capture/formatting/edge cases so developers can focus on models and UX

agwp•41m ago
Have you explored using speaker diarization and speaker identification, given that pyannote etc. takes this approach?

I'm curious given your decision to capture speaker names from the screen. I see the merits during desktop recording, but I can also see how this limits utility when trying to offer the same functionality across desktop and other scenarios (e.g. in-person meetings, audio uploads etc.)

davidgu•17m ago
We already support diarization in the Desktop Recording SDK by capturing the meeting platform’s speaker-change events, so you get a diarized transcript plus precise “speaker started talking” timestamps out of the box. We also support voice-signature diarization via third-party STT providers for participants calling in from the same room

For in-person meetings and audio uploads, this is on our roadmap and in development. More to come on this!

ripped_britches•3m ago
I’m interested in how you expect to keep market share if this capability can be offered by the webrtc service provider. I saw the other comment about multiple providers, but many enterprises have just one preferred path. For example I’ve been recording Google drive calls and the transcript goes straight into my Google drive.