Man - I loved this "back-in-the-day", uh... 23-years ago...
edm0nd•4mo ago
I still go around and war drive and upload em to WiGLE!
They make it really easy now. They even have an app you can download on your phone and just open up while driving and start logging and then it just uploads it to WiGLE when you hit stop.
supportengineer•4mo ago
I believe that is Android-only
edm0nd•4mo ago
Yup. I bought a refurb'd Pixel 7 Pro off eBay for $250 and installed it on there and just throw it in the car when I'm driving around.
adastra22•4mo ago
Why would you do this?
jjkaczor•4mo ago
Well - back then, it was "new and shiny" - now, I haven't done it myself the intervening decades.
If you are interested in radio/security, I could see it being an on-going thing. Myself, I rarely uploaded to WiGLE (just used it to peruse regions that were "unmapped") - but, these were also back in the "before-times" when ubiquitous cell network data connectivity was expensive - so, I did my mapping using an offline version of Microsoft MapPoint with NetStumbler on my laptop in combination with a VBScript interface I wrote that would drive MapPoint and visually display findings.
After posting this yesterday - I checked WiGLE for my home and office wifi networks - which have been around with the same SSID for 5+ years and they are not listed, so not many people are actively wardriving these days.
But - like any hobby, there are always a few people in the "long-tail".
adastra22•4mo ago
What I mean is, you are actively choosing to collect and make available data that can be used to track people, to hack people, to deanonymize users, and even to harm others. This is literally crowdsourced spying on your neighbors. Why participate?
edm0nd•4mo ago
because it's nerdy fun
acka•4mo ago
I feel you... Running NetStumbler as well as some other tools such as Kismet on a laptop using an Orinoco Wi-Fi PCMCIA card with special firmware / drivers which offered 'Monitor Mode', those were the days...
If you want to be excluded from this - as well as from: Google, Microsoft, Apple lists- you have to add ‘_nomap’ to the end of your wifi name.
eigencoder•4mo ago
I thought it was _optout_nomap (the _optout for Microsoft, _nomap for Google/Apple)
move-on-by•4mo ago
Hmm... I was under the impression that MS had added support for `_nomap` as well somewhere... but now I'm not finding any references to that. I suppose at the end of the day, you have to trust that they even follow their opt out policy at all.
baby_souffle•4mo ago
And you'd probably have to rotate out the MAC address and broadcast name. At this point, cat is out of the bag. I'm brand new network name and Mac address with the opt-out flags is only going to keep you out of the honest databases :(
skowalak•4mo ago
A similar project that also tracks cell towers and bluetooth beacons in addition to WiFi is https://beacondb.net .
Since Mozilla Location Services shut down they have been a good alternative for geolocation and they are public domain. Unfortunately, data dumps are currently not available, though.
eliaspro•4mo ago
The great thing about BeaconDB: the API-compatibility to MozillaLocationService. So apps just need to update their endpoint to continue working.
Havoc•4mo ago
Looking at areas I'm familiar with this is picking up a ton of non-fixed APs - in fact more mobile than fixed. Guessing that's cellphones with tethering on?
typpilol•4mo ago
I've done wigle for a while
A ton of it is cars with built in hotspots. The other is mobile hotspots left on while on the highway.
jjkaczor•4mo ago
edm0nd•4mo ago
They make it really easy now. They even have an app you can download on your phone and just open up while driving and start logging and then it just uploads it to WiGLE when you hit stop.
supportengineer•4mo ago
edm0nd•4mo ago
adastra22•4mo ago
jjkaczor•4mo ago
If you are interested in radio/security, I could see it being an on-going thing. Myself, I rarely uploaded to WiGLE (just used it to peruse regions that were "unmapped") - but, these were also back in the "before-times" when ubiquitous cell network data connectivity was expensive - so, I did my mapping using an offline version of Microsoft MapPoint with NetStumbler on my laptop in combination with a VBScript interface I wrote that would drive MapPoint and visually display findings.
After posting this yesterday - I checked WiGLE for my home and office wifi networks - which have been around with the same SSID for 5+ years and they are not listed, so not many people are actively wardriving these days.
But - like any hobby, there are always a few people in the "long-tail".
adastra22•4mo ago
edm0nd•4mo ago
acka•4mo ago