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105•dvrp•3h ago•11 comments

A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

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187•gi0baro-dev•6d ago•77 comments
Open in hackernews

A worker fell into a nuclear reactor pool

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2025/20251022en?brid=vscAjql9kZL1FfGE7TYHVw#en57996:~:text=TRANSPORT%20OF%20CONTAMINATED%20PERSON%20OFFSITE
226•nvahalik•3h ago

Comments

piinbinary•3h ago
Does anyone have a sense for how significant of a dose of radiation this person got?
kibwen•3h ago
If it was just swimming in it that would be one thing. Ingesting the water could be very bad, depending on what's in it.
PaulHoule•3h ago
They keep the water in an LWR pretty clean to avoid corrosion problems. Thing is the slightest almost of tritium in the water will light up a portal detector like a pinball machine on tilt.
tofof•3h ago
Radiation units are fiendishly tricky to convert between. Here, the only indication is that after decontamination their hair was still reading 300 counts per minute. CPM are instrument-specific and doesn't mean that's the correct number of disintegrations per second, nor easily converted to absorbed dose units, and this is after decontamination, and disregarding the amount of water they ingested.

All that disclaimer aside: a banana produces about 15 Bq (which is s^-1), i.e. 900 cpm.

ls612•3h ago
Water is a pretty good radiation shield so probably not too much. Certainly not good for your health but probably not seriously threatening.
specialp•3h ago
Not at all. My scintillating counter will do 300 cpm as background. The most concerning thing here will be the ingestion of the water. Even low level emitters can be very bad when the are inside the body
jcrawfordor•3h ago
I'm not an expert in this topic but I've been working on a book in a related area and had to learn a lot. Here's what I can figure.

Unfortunately radiation medicine is pretty complicated and the report gives us very little info, presumably mostly because they don't have very much info. It will take some time and effort to establish more.

What we do know is that they measured 300 CPM at the person's hair, which was probably where they expected the highest count due to absorbed water (likely clothing was already stripped at this point). CPM is a tricky unit because it is something like the "raw" value from the instrument, the literal number of counts from the tube, and determining more absolute metrics like activity and dose requires knowing the calibration of the meter. The annoying thing here is that radiation protection professionals will still sometimes just write CPM because for a lot of applications there's only one or a handful of instruments approved and they tend to figure the reader knows which instrument they have. Frustrating. Still, for the common LND7311 tube and Cs137, 300CPM is a little below 1 uSv/hr. That wouldn't equate to any meaningful risk (a common rule of thumb is that a couple mSv is typical annual background exposure). However, for a less sensitive detector, the dose could be much higher (LND7311 is often used in pancake probes for frisking because it is very sensitive and just background is often hundreds of CPM). Someone who knows NRC practices better might know what detector would be used here.

That said the field dose here is really not the concern, committed dose from ingesting the water is. Ingesting radioactive material is extremely dangerous because, depending on the specific isotopes involved, it can persist in the body for a very long time and accumulate in specific organs. Unfortunately it is also difficult to assess. This person will likely go to a hospital with a specialty center equipped with a full body counter, and counts will also be taken on blood samples. These are ways of estimating the amount of radioactive isotopes in the body. In some cases tissue samples of specific organs may be taken.

I believe that the cavity pool water would be "clean" other than induced radioactivity (activation products from being bombarded by radiation). Because water shields so well the pool should not be that "hot" from this process. Most of those products have short half-lives which, on the one hand, means that they deliver a higher dose over a shorter period of time---but also means they will not longer forever and are less likely to be a chronic problem if they are not an acute one.

I suspect this will get some press coverage and we will perhaps learn more about the patient's state.

Another way we can get at this question is by the bureaucracy of the notification. An 8-hour notification as done here is required in relatively minor cases. Usually for a "big deal emergency" a one-hour notification is required. The definition of such an emergency depends on the site emergency plan but I think acute radiation exposure to a worker would generally qualify.

numpad0•2h ago
"count" is that classical Geiger click, so 300 per minute is constant 5/sec gggggggg going on, which sounds bad but we don't know. They're boolean and also equipment dependent.

As others had said, more alarming part is that they ingested the water, which could go like defected Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko. But it could also be like man eating few bananas seasoned with expired Himalayan salt. The report just doesn't say how much of what was ingested.

Hobadee•3h ago
I have SOOO many questions, and this report answers SOOO few of them.
hshdhdhehd•3h ago
Like what is a reactor cavity? HN title makes it sound like they fell into the reactor but maybe this is some sort of moat or something? what did they fall into and why?
PaulHoule•3h ago
Almost certainly a refueling outage, this video will give you a good image of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCfapqYy00

Centigonal•3h ago
ooh, thank you for this!
SoftTalker•1h ago
Palisades is not an operating reactor. It has been shut down since 2022. It's in the process of being recommissioned/restarted.
JasonSage•3h ago
My question is what happened between when they went in the water and when they got off-site medical treatment. 7 hours seems like a long time. Is there on-site medical that would be doing something during that time?
_qua•3h ago
Realistically, there is little to do besides decontamination which I'm sure they're equipped to do on site.
analog31•3h ago
Anecdote: My house mate in grad school was working in a national lab when an experiment caught fire and the fire consumed a certain amount of radioactive material. (Tiny little buttons used for calibrating detectors). He was on shift and was the person who discovered the fire and pulled the alarm.

Among other things, he had to sit inside an enclosure made of scintillator material for a period of time, to make sure he wasn't contaminated. Then he also got blood tests for heavy metals etc. They pretty much went by the book for all of these tests.

Also, the facility is the only place that's equipped for this kind of situation.

slicktux•2h ago
It’s a process to come into a high radiation area, as well as, a process to come out; I’m sure the worker was not injured so they processed he/she out and decontaminated the individual and did a whole body count. Then release him to medical for evaluation…which in itself is a process.
christina97•3h ago
Relevant xkcd content: https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
parker-3461•3h ago
So if I understand this correctly (solely from reading the xkcd), then the person might actually be okay?
LeifCarrotson•3h ago
They're totally fine.

I find it highly informative that the required PPE for working in that location is a life jacket so you float in case you fall in, rather than a tether and fall arrest harness so that it's not possible to fall in.

300 CPM is nothing, background levels might be 150.

_blk•2h ago
Background is probably a bit lower depending on where you're at. My counter went through airport security luggage scans 'cause they wouldn't let me wear it through the metal detector. It beeps for a few seconds and then comes out about a days' dose of natural radiation higher. The count was higher than 300 CPM, but obviously only shortly. That poor bloke might stay at 300 (if ingested and he can't scrub it off) for a while but it's still not very discouraging long-term. Pilots have about that at cruising altitude.
bn-l•3h ago
> You may actually receive a lower dose of radiation treading water in a spent fuel pool than walking around on the street.

Wow

sparky_z•2h ago
Is it relevant? It's writing about a pool for storing spent fuel, which is not a part of the actual reactor system.

  This incident report says that the worker fell into a "reactor cavity" containing water and that there was a measurable amount of radiation detected in their hair after the initial clean-up. The two situations don't seem remotely compatible to me.
lisper•2h ago
And a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8
nojs•3h ago
Apparently it’s fine according to this xkcd: https://youtu.be/EFRUL7vKdU8
Centigonal•3h ago
It's the reactor cavity in this case, not a nuclear waste storage pool.
mlindner•2h ago
How is that different from the accident point of view. They're both quite radioactive and both sit in deep pools of water.
tapland•3h ago
Doesn’t seem like the same pool if you measure 300 counts/min from their hair afterwards.
hshdhdhehd•3h ago
That makes it sound like a feature! Might get some rods for my pool to keep her warm.
hshdhdhehd•3h ago
> Non Emergency

I guess in a nuclear reactor there is a lingual shift and the word emergency cant be used for just any old 911 call.

Like how Australians apparently call a jellyfish bite "uncomfortable"

anakaine•3h ago
Aussie surfer here, the stings typically are uncomfortable. Some of the deadlier ones can be close to painless and only result in itching and result in you dying from respiratory failure 24 hours later. Others are downright painful with even strong opiate based pain killers struggling to cut through the pain.
cal_dent•3h ago
Hahaha eeesh that 2nd sentence took a turn
viraptor•3h ago
Also it's in a way normalised to happen in a few places with beaches. There are vinegar stations every 100m or so. Basically a "yes, it will happen to a few of you".

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-prev...

noduerme•2h ago
Is the deadly itchy one of those tiny box jellyfish? More than sharks or crocs, this is why I was an absolute coward and decided not to get in the water in Queensland. There are lots of ways to die, but I'd prefer not to blame myself in my last moments.
dlcarrier•7m ago
Oceans are dangerous, but it's the water that's most likely to get you, even in Australia.

If you ever become prime Minister of Australia, and find yourself on an oceanside bombing range, don't go spear fishing.

foobar1962•2h ago
A bite requires teeth. Sharks bite. Snakes bite. Bees and wasps sting. Jellyfish and bluebottles sting.

Not sure about spiders. Are their fangs considered to be teeth? Platypus have venomous spurs, not sure what that’s called.

doubled112•2h ago
Spiders bite. I've never heard it called anything else.
KPGv2•2h ago
Spiders bite with their fangs, much like vampires bite with their fangs, they don't sting. I might call the tarantula "hair" that makes you itch a sting, but I would feel a bit silly calling it that.
dlcarrier•6m ago
Mosquitos bite with their nose.
loeg•2h ago
Nah this is literally just not an emergency. The water isn't very radioactive.
thayne•1h ago
It isn't an emergency. It was an accident that required medical attention.

If you fell in a lake and accidentally ingested some wayer known to contain some pathagen dangerous to humans, you might seek medical care, but I don't think most people would consider that an emergency. This is similar.

throwawaymaths•1h ago
i mean it might be a medical emergency but not a reactor emergency?
dlcarrier•11m ago
Or how Brits call a civil war "trouble"
jasonjmcghee•3h ago
Obligatory xkcd (ish)

https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

tt_dev•3h ago
This is bad but cavity water radiation is usually very weak. Ingestion could be bad but its not like he swallowed a uranium isotope which would be catastrophic.
IlikeKitties•2h ago
The Uranium Isotopes would also not be that terrible. It's the fission products that get you.
mlindner•2h ago
I wouldn't even call it bad. Reactor pools have basically zero radiation at the surface. The water is constantly filtered and kept very pure to remove contaminants that can be activated by neutrons.

Even drinking it I would think would be completely fine. The water itself doesn't get activated.

happyopossum•2h ago
Then where did their radioactive hair come from?
roenxi•1h ago
The pool. But it isn't necessarily a problem - your hair, right now, is radioactive. Presumably wouldn't trip a measuring device because it'd be background levels.

The linked report doesn't say how radioactive his hair is or give any indication of whether the person in question is threatened by this reading. Could be bad, could be nothing, we just know it is higher than normal.

ComplexSystems•1h ago
It says "The individual was decontaminated by radiation protection personnel but had 300 counts per minute detected in their hair."
roenxi•1h ago
It does say that. Can you translate that into a measurement of radioactivity & medical risk? I don't think it is obvious.

EDIT The report below it seems to literally be "nothing interesting happened". The thresholds here for something to be reportable are very low. Frankly I don't know why this story is upvoted so much but I'm not about to make a bigger deal about it than one sentence.

sithadmin•1h ago
300cpm is lower than what you’d be exposed to on a commercial airline flight (400-900ish cpm).
Brian_K_White•1h ago
That's what I was thinking, but it does look like 300 cpm for a few hours is essentially nothing, or it looks real bad, I can't tell.

I found this:

  Days to receive chronic dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
  432 (at 100 CPM)
  86 (at 500 CPM)
Ok so 300 for an hour (we'll assume the hair is cut off and the exposure either stops or 90% reduces) means no problem. Don't do that every day that's all.

But it's from a prepper site that doesn't cite their own sources.

I found this: https://www.energy.gov/ehss/articles/doe-ionizing-radiation-...

Which uses rem instead of cpm. An on-line converter of unknown quality says 300 cpm is 500 rem, and the pdf from the .gov site says 500 rem is "death probable in 2-3 weeks", but I think that chart is saying that's whole body & no therapy. Where this is probably mostly hair that can be just cut off totally let alone washed, and so the elevated exposure is probably both low and short duration, and medical therapy (whatever that means, if any in this case) on top.

I can't tell, could be the same as just visting a country with a slightly higher background that isn't a problem for anyone, to dead in a month. Leaning towards no problem just because of the short time and apparently mostly external and removable source.

However, it's not nothing either. It's maybe no problem for this person only because they avoided ingesting the water and the water was very quickly washed off and presumably their hair was cut off and all clothes etc removed as fast as possible. It's clearly at least "rather hot" and you can't just play in it and have prolonged exposure and ingestion. It doesn't seem to be "basically zero".

roenxi•1h ago
The report doesn't read like something involving 500 rem and potential death in 3 weeks. It says "Non Emergency". Can you link to this converter? It seems to be a rather key step that got handwaved. Wiki says [0] there isn't a standard on what a "count" counts.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counts_per_minute

jojobas•2h ago
Water itself is activated by neutrons, even if slightly.
robocat•2h ago
FYI:

  the primary hazard from acute, high-dose uranium ingestion is chemical toxicity leading to acute kidney failure (nephrotoxicity), not radiation.
anothernewdude•1h ago
Fuck me, is there anything fun that isn't nephrotoxic?
arthurcolle•1h ago
Menu tonight is neurotoxic or nephrotoxic
sigmar•3h ago
It doesn't say worker, just "person." I could understand falling in with some freak accident where you trip. But they ingested the water?!
pixl97•3h ago
I mean that's something that happens commonly when people fall into things like pools. When you jump into a pool you tend to take a breath before you do so, so you don't suck in water. When you fall into water it's much more common for people to aspirate or swallow water from the surprise.
viraptor•2h ago
Depending on a velocity, it also doesn't matter if you took a breath or not. Fall in quickly enough and at just the right angle (you can even do that from a fast water slide) and the water will be forced through your nose into lungs/stomach. (Unless you hold it closed)
rtpg•3h ago
probably likely just a thing that happens when you suddenly fall into a pool of water?
andy99•3h ago
Knowing nothing about nuclear reactor design, why would there ever be a dangerous pool that people could walk by that wasn’t covered? Hard to believe it’s like some kind of Bond villain complex with open pools everywhere. This must have been in the course of some kind of servicing that required opening something that normally stays closed?
donatj•3h ago
Because it's generally speaking, not that dangerous. Water is very good at blocking radiation. That's part of the reason why the pool is filled with it to begin with.
andy99•3h ago
I personally consider an area dangerous if I need to undergo radiation decontamination after entering it, continue emitting radiation after decontamination, and need to seek medical attention. Maybe the nuclear regulatory bodies have differen definitions?
antonvs•3h ago
"Complaining about residual radiation is for the weak." -- Lt. Worf probably
grogenaut•3h ago
numbers matter. A human naturally gives off 0.2mSv/year. so basically you are emitting radiation right now, just very slowly. They had 300 counts per minute which would e around 6200 mSv year. But how much is that? the limit in a year for some body parts goes up to 500mSv year for workers. But that's if their body are getting that much radiation for the whole year.

TL;DR you're always getting some ionizing radiation, how much matters.

simoncion•2h ago
> They had 300 counts per minute which would e around 6200 mSv year

Are you sure about that? 6200 mSv is 6.2 Sv, which I understand to be near-universally deadly. That dosage would be profoundly incompatible with the news that the worker was being sent offsite to seek non-emergency medical attention.

Poking around, it looks like "counts per minute" have to get converted to a dosage using an instrument-specific formula. I CBA to go find that formula, but you're quite welcome to.

grogenaut•44m ago
no not sure. yeah I used the an average instrument specific rate. The point is a) everything emits, b) we have no idea on severity from the info, could be a little, could be a lot. Could also be short term (haircut) or longer term (ingested) exposures.
jojobas•2h ago
Hair can't hold that much water compared to any ingested amount. Whether contaminated or activated, internal irradiation from that much will be pretty bad.
mpyne•2h ago
Bananas emit detectable radiation, so you should probably choose different thresholds of what causes you to consider something dangerous.

They will still try to decontaminate you of any radioactive materials they can scrub off as a matter of course, but 300 counts per minute, while noticeably higher than background radiation levels, is pretty benign in the grand scheme of things. The fact that you can still count individual radioactive emissions is incredibly good news compared to how bad things could be.

Especially since the reactor will have been shutdown for some time by definition, if the reactor cavity is open enough to fall into. Hopefully the low rate of radioactivity evidenced by the counts on the person's hair is matched by the level of radioactivity in the water.

And on that note, medical attention would also be provided as a matter of course after a fall like this, but it seems to me that the physical injury of falling some distance and possibly hitting metal on the way down is going to be more of a danger than the radiation, especially compared to the sources of radiation people naturally run into (especially cigarette smoke, whether primary or secondhand).

ang_cire•2h ago
It's not open to the public, but workers have to go into dangerous places to do maintenance. The refueling process, for example, requires removing spent fuel rods and inserting new ones, and for that the core has to be opened. It's not running, i.e. fissioning, but it's still radioactive material (water included).
lelandbatey•2h ago
I think you're softly implying things are more dangerous than they actually are, possibly due to not understanding just how insanely risk averse the nuclear industry is in the US. You could jog around a reactor chamber every morning and under a "normal person's" risk tolerance, you would never, ever be exposed to any danger. That worker who fell in the reactor pool seems like they got a radiation exposure equal to approximately a dozen chest x-rays (it's ambiguous though because they don't specify what tool was yeilding 300 counts per minute, nor do they give the total mSv).

The NRC would make you attend training and get decontaminated if you had to cross a street if they operated the roads.

scarier•2h ago
It seems reasonable and prudent to go through decontamination after this sort of thing, but if the worker had just gone home to their family soaking wet without changing, there would still have been close enough to zero risk to anyone (again, cleaning up and making sure this is the case is a very reasonable thing to do).

This sort of place is safe enough to bring your kid into without significant precautions (I got to do this as a kid—it was really cool). The biggest risk by far is drowning.

Relevant XKCD: https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

simoncion•2h ago
In addition to what most of the folks are saying:

0) If you've not read this chart, do carefully read it: <https://xkcd.com/radiation/>. If you've read it before, take some time to carefully re-read it.

1) The guy's getting sent off to seek non-emergency medical attention. I bet you an entire American Nickle that that attention is almost entirely for injuries sustained in the fall, rather than for radiation exposure.

BurningFrog•1h ago
What you "need to" do is often not decided by a rational risk assessment.
ern•1h ago
I get a feeling that there are a lot of people trying to minimize this incident for some reason.
forthac•2h ago
They typically have a railing around them. The circumstances of this incident are unknown beyond a small set of details. The report indicates that the person who fell was wearing a life vest, it is likely they were doing work around the pool beyond the normal safety barriers.
_qua•2h ago
Not a good place to be a klutz!
hammock•2h ago
When I was a kid I was amazed at how many of the other kids would take pool water in their mouth and drool it out, simply as a normal part of their treading water. I thought they were weird for this but it was really about 1 out of every 3 or 4 kids I noticed that did this.
0xDEAFBEAD•3h ago
Your periodic reminder that coal is deadlier than nuclear.

https://cns.utexas.edu/news/research/coal-power-killed-half-...

bn-l•3h ago
More radiation released also which is hard to get your head around.
Zak•2h ago
Not really hard: nuclear power generation uses radiation and radioactive material, but tries very hard not to release it. Coal power generation burns a substance that contains a small amount of radioactive material, and makes no effort not to release radiation.
mlindner•2h ago
It's not that surprising. We're burning a rock we dug out of the ground and turning it into a vapor. Rocks found underground contain some amount of natural radioactive material, for example granite/marble tend to be higher in radiation. If you burn that into a powder and put it into the atmosphere it'll spread around and expose the nearby area to very slightly radioactive pollution.
_qua•3h ago
Interesting page overall. Didn't realize reactors get scrammed that often.
fwlr•3h ago
Scrolling up and down the list, just how onerous is this reporting regulation? It seems almost cartoonishly excessive, even for critical safety applications.
aaomidi•3h ago
Having the infrastructure for reporting incidents is the expensive part.

Doing it often doesn’t really add to the cost. More reporting is helpful because it explicitly makes it clear even operational issues can have lessons to be learned from. It also keeps the reporting system running and operationally well maintained.

WebPKI does this as well.

ang_cire•2h ago
Literally no amount of incident reporting is excessive when it comes to nuclear power. Not just because of the safety of the plant itself, but because so much is reliant on it.

It's important to identify even small defects or incidents so that patterns can be noticed before they turn into larger issues. You see the same breaker tripping at 3x the rate of other ones, and even though maybe nothing was damaged you now know there's something to investigate.

pembrook•2h ago
Aaaand it’s this alarmist attitude which is why we don’t have abundant cheap nuclear energy.

Sea-drilling rigs (oil) have far more potential for environmental damage than modern nuclear plants

Yet they have no federal public register for when a worker falls overboard (an incident far more likely to result in death).

antonvs•35m ago
> Sea-drilling rigs (oil) have far more potential for environmental damage than modern nuclear plants

Key word: "modern". A key aspect of a modern nuclear plant, that supports its high level of safety, is the required incident reporting and followup.

The relevant issue is not really about a single worker being injured or dying. It's about detecting safety issues which could lead to a catastrophe far beyond what a sea oil drilling rig can, at least when it comes to human life and habitability of the surrounding area.

For example, after Chernobyl, much of Europe had to deal with contamination from cesium 137.

The entire planet's geological history shows when the nuclear age started, because humans are irresponsible in aggregate. (See also global warming.)

> Aaaand it’s this alarmist attitude ...

You're providing an object lesson in why humans can't really be trusted to operate systems like this over the long term.

iamronaldo•3h ago
https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
thret•3h ago
This may be the most relevant xkcd yet. It answered all questions I had about this, thank you.
lisper•2h ago
And a video version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8&t=11s

BobbyTables2•3h ago
Obligatory XKCD: https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

(Not exactly same but close)

Animats•3h ago
Palisades MI reactor. Currently shut down and de-fueled but a restart of this reactor is apparently underway, with new fuel assemblies being delivered.[1]

Worker was wearing a life vest.[2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Nuclear_Generating_S...

[2] https://www.mlive.com/news/2025/10/michigan-nuclear-plant-wo...

croemer•2h ago
Archive of [2] (blocked me): https://archive.ph/0pzuY
slicktux•2h ago
I’ve heard of people falling into the spent fuel pool but never the reactor pool. Usually there are strict FME barriers in place and one cannot even look over into the pool without violating the FME. I wonder what led to the event? Definitely an OSHA recordable!
feminintendo•14m ago
This is not true at all. I have personally looked into a reactor pool. I remember thinking how easy it would be to literally just jump in. I mean, I'd trip about a thousand alarms and probably end up in prison, but....
pembrook•2h ago
Man in Michigan potentially exposed to radiation levels equivalent to undergoing 4 x-rays at the doctors office.

Meanwhile, in Texas, 1.5 people die every day working in Oil and Gas extraction.

A few people die every year installing or falling off of wind turbines.

But by all means, let's make this a news story instead and keep making nuclear sound scary. I’m sure the person who posted this to HN with this clickbait title has zero political beliefs.

gnarlouse•2h ago
Really puts it into perspective
BirAdam•2h ago
If my childhood taught me anything, it’s that there’s about to be an awesome superhero.
satisfice•1h ago
A spider will bite this guy and get the powers of a human.
DonHopkins•1h ago
Where is Jimmy Carter when we need him? And Rodney Dangerfield to explain how big Jimmy Carter is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveFromNewYork/comments/1bh2edu/th...

gfalcao•44m ago
same thought here
robviren•2h ago
I greatly appreciate the nuclear industry. Nuclear field engineering was my first "real" job out of college and they really committ to safety. Transparency in this industry is inspiring because everyone involved knows that one screw up and that's the end of the US nuclear industry. Good luck getting oil and gas to be accountable and as transparent about incidents. I carry the culture into the rest of my work and appreciate being involved. Wish events like this didn't happen but it is not of significant danger and I find it great that they communicate even "smaller" issues.
smilespray•1h ago
I've lived through three major nuclear incidents, and what they had in common, regardless of the political systems of the US, The Soviet Union or Japan, was not the transparency, it was the lying. It started immediately after each incident.

I'm essentially pro-nuclear, I just don't trust people who run it.

0xDEAFBEAD•26m ago
Can you recommend a book or two in order to learn about that culture? IMO we could use more of it in AI.
amarant•2h ago
Mandatory xkcd: https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
PhoenixFlame101•1h ago
Video format if anyone prefers it: https://youtu.be/EFRUL7vKdU8
almosthere•2h ago
Is he going to die no matter what or is this survivable?
jasongill•1h ago
Ultimately, yes; he will die no matter what.
almosthere•1h ago
As you get older this pedantry gets really tiring.
brongondwana•1h ago
The good news is, you have less time to be annoyed by it
thayne•1h ago
I'm not an expert but it definitely doesn't sound like an immediate threat to his life.
satisfice•1h ago
No more horseplay around the reactor!
IngvarLynn•1h ago
relevant xkcd not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreev_Bay_nuclear_accident#A...
arthurcolle•1h ago
300 CPM in hair after decontamination is a massive red flag. If this is from systemic circulation, could be GBq-level total body activity.

The non-emergency classification is bureaucratic nonsense. This is an internal contamination event with unknown but potentially severe consequences.

ramchip•1h ago
From: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-nuclear-plant-worker-fell-...

> According to federal reports, the contractor ingested some of the reactor water before being yanked out, scrubbed down, and checked for radiation. They walked away with only minor injuries and about 300 counts per minute of radiation detected in their hair.

> That sounds like a lot, but apparently it isn't terribly serious. He underwent a decontamination scrubdown and was back on the job by Wednesday.

arthurcolle•1h ago
Litvinenko had about 10 MBq in his body and died in 3 weeks.

This might be 500+ MBq (0.5 GBq). Yeah it's a different isotope, but clearly not a "non-emergency"

malfist•1h ago
Can you quantify why you're better qualified to assess risk from this brief report than the nuclear experts on site that know the full picture?
__MatrixMan__•1h ago
Quantify? What kind of number would satisfy your request?
arthurcolle•1h ago
I learned a few things from my father along the way. I can share my notes if you'd like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Coll%C3%A9?wprov=sfti1

malfist•1h ago
I'm sure your father is a very accomplished gentleman. But I was asking why your armchair analysis is better than the experts who actually know what happened here?
aunty_helen•1h ago
> Collé and his collaborators have maintained, expanded and improved radioactivity measurement standards...

Story checks out. I think this would pass.

tgtweak•1h ago
300CPM above background is considered very low - likely why they classified this as non-emergency - the only reason it was reported was per NRC cfr that states any time there is transportation of a radioactively contained person offsite, it must be notified.

For reference, in Canada, that is considered trace contamination and not dose. You would experience 300-800 CPM on a commercial airliner during the entirety of your flight, for comparison.

edit: adding to this that the site in question, Palisades, is shut-down and is under decommissioning and was not operating at the time - so while the water would have had some radioactivity due to exposure to the formerly active core, it was not like falling into an operating reactor or into moderating heavy water... also something that cannot happen with a pressurized reactor such as this one.

arthurcolle•1h ago
I thought 50-130 CPM above background was considered trace exposure. But yeah I didn't realize it was a decommissioned core... idk there are so many red flags in this story.

EDIT: 300-600 CPM above background radiation levels is for EXTERNAL environmental monitoring, not for POST-DECONTAMINATION readings on a contaminated person.

LeoPanthera•43m ago
A CPM value means nothing without additional context. Counts vary based on detector type and size, radiation type, energy, distance and geometry, all sorts of things. They're not comparable except in identical contexts.

This is why the Sievert exists as a unit.

As a general rule, falling into a reactor pool is probably fine, as long as you don't reach the bottom. (But please don't try it.)

There's even an XKCD "What if" about it. https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

arthurcolle•31m ago
Thank you for the followup (familiar with the XKCD)

Dumb question from a true non-expert:

So CPM varies with all those factors you mention, but wouldn't the site HP team know exactly what detector they used, the geometry, distance, etc.? They could convert to dose if they wanted, right?

Why report the ambiguous "300 CPM" instead of an actual dose estimate in mSv/μSv? Seems like that would be more useful for any medical team, any set of potential regulators or regulatory bodies as well as just general public understanding (drawing on my father's work here as he always emphasized the tension between "public fears radiation unnecessarily" and "industry safety protocols are inconsistent")

Follow-up: Is there any legitimate reason to report CPM instead of dose after a contamination event? Or does staying with CPM keep things conveniently vague? Because from my limited understanding, if they did a proper survey, they have everything needed to calculate dose.

LeoPanthera•27m ago
I would imagine the on-site team would know, yes. I don't know why the report only gives a measurement in CPM, but just because the person was sent off-site doesn't mean the levels were dangerous. Thresholds at nuclear facilities tend to be very low for safety.

The USNRC is currently not operating normally due to the government shutdown. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

dudidn•1h ago
“worker fell off roof installing solar panels” — just getting ahead of the ‘anti-nuclear’ folks on here. Energy installations all come with risks, albeit nuclear long tail accidents are mutli-generational and externalised to people not involved in managing the risk
DoctorOetker•1h ago
Why didn't they shave off the hair and measure again before sending off to medical? They have the opportunity to report lower numbers, and would enable identifying non-hair-adsorbed radiatioactive matter on the subject. It sounds so easy and actionable it boggles the mind that it's not part of the protocol.
qwertytyyuu•20m ago
I can't help but be reminded of relevant xkcd^{TM} https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
JackAcid•5m ago
Toxic Avenger remake.