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Alive internet theory

https://alivetheory.net/
109•manbitesdog•4h ago

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theandrewbailey•4h ago
The constant re-styling of the page was annoying enough to make me close the tab and not come back.
brulard•3h ago
I did the same and did not even think about it until i read this!
stavros•3h ago
I managed to brave the cruel and punishing color changes long enough to click the button and was rewarded with an interesting session of nostalgia and exploration.
jaffa2•3h ago
i didn't even realise there was a button link to click. I thought the landing page was it. Let me go back..
stavros•3h ago
Ahh yeah, the button is below the fold on mobile! Bad design, there.
faidit•3h ago
I thought it was cool, the UIs of the past evoke lost memories of past eras. But sadly, the images glitched out and stopped displaying after I manually changed the date. Probably due to my internet connection haha
yakattak•2h ago
I liked the idea but it made it impossible to read the explanation of the experience.
BonitaPersona•3h ago
I'm open to and interested in the thesis and discourse this website supposedly offers, but the medium forcefully expels me.

Perhaps there could be a static 1.0 version we can read or listen to?

edit: Okay, I get it now. It's an automatic aggregator! Only the style auto-change is egregious then, but the actual webapp is great!

another edit, sorry: The call-to-action button should be at the top, not the bottom. On mobile you have to scroll to see it and it can be missed.

gryfft•3h ago
> alive internet theory is a séance with this living internet. Resurrecting tens of millions of digital artifacts from the Internet Archive, visitors are immersed in a relentless barrage of human expression as they travel through the life of the web as we created it—every image, video, song, and text uploaded by a real person on the web.

I like this a lot. It sort of turns internet history into a lava lamp.

For those struggling with the styling on the splash page, the slider at the top lets you pick an era and stick with it.

Mistletoe•3h ago
I like the sentiment but how will you know as time goes on that the things were uploaded or created by real humans? The early things yes, but as I got closer to now I was less sure, which kind of disproves the alive internet theory.

https://archive.org/details/TikTok-7272243823504313642

ySteeK•3h ago
That's exactly my kind of humor: the page "aliveitheorie" remains black because I'm not allowing a Java script.
van_lizard•3h ago
Read my post history here (the fist post).
bryceneal•3h ago
I agree that "the internet will always be filled with real people: looking for each other". The question is will they be able to successfully find each other, and how can they be sure they have?
koolala•3h ago
by using the internet or by using a website? if we included digital telephone would the answer be getting their phone number? i wish hosting a website was as easy as hosting a phone call.
quantummagic•3h ago
Presumably, the value in finding each other will be the key to determining you have found someone real. If you literally can't tell the difference, then what does it matter? But many of us believe that there are important differences, that do matter, and that the dead internet can never truly provide.
koolala•3h ago
it depends if you want real connection. imagine if this reply was a video call. wave emoji
batch12•3h ago
Its a cool idea, just beware. Saw some dead kids and some NSFW among the otherwise interesting content.
csomar•3h ago
This must be labeled NSFW.
talkingtab•3h ago
Somehow, reading the comments made something CLICK for me about how passive and reactive we have all become in this culture.

1. The issue is real. Not sure it is articulated but I related to live vs dead internet.

2. The comments (only 10 as of now) are mostly critiques. (no javascript, call to action, style, theory is wrong)

The CLICK: "Critiques kill". You want a live internet? Don't critique. If you want a no javascript version make one. If you have a better solution do it. If you have insight into the problem share it.

The "follower" internet has somehow instilled the notion that making a comment is the same as "doing something". It is not.

Someone has done something here. If you want to comment, try to develop the thought, not critique. Help build something.

kace91•2h ago
Good critique to the comments!
plastic-enjoyer•2h ago
> The CLICK: "Critiques kill". You want a live internet? Don't critique. If you want a no javascript version make one. If you have a better solution do it. If you have insight into the problem share it.

Yes, and no. I think a problem is critique in the form of action. There are movements such as the indie web (e.g. Neocities, Nekoweb, Agoraroad) that long for the old web in their nostalgia and form a counter-movement to the current state of the web. The websites and communities that emerge from this are more or less an imitation of the websites of the late 90s and early 2000s. My problem with this is that the indie web primarily defines itself by simply being the opposite of the web 2.0. It exists primarily as a counterculture, in which “counter” is more important part than "culture". This movement is cynical in that a better future for the internet and the web no longer seems possible, and the only way out is to escape into a nostalgically romanticized past. For me, this is more of a confirmation of the Dead Internet Theory than of the Alive Internet Theory.

ktpsns•1h ago
I think Indiweb is more a cultural way of building tech and not only an opposition to current trends. As a dev I see indiweb in similar veins as "selfhosted vs cloud" or "Microservices vs Monolith"
imiric•2h ago
Allow me to criticise your criticism...

> The CLICK: "Critiques kill". You want a live internet? Don't critique.

I don't see the connection. Critiques are also content.

The issue is not related to the type of content, but to what is producing it. Dead Internet is the (proven) idea that most content on the internet is produced and consumed by machines, not humans.

itsoktocry•1h ago
Yes.

Critiques, discourse, discussion..these are all things that make the internet "real".

strken•2h ago
One interesting thing from the arts is that new works are often part of an ongoing generational argument. Two examples which come to mind are Notes from Underground and the hilarious Duchamp urinal.

I think this form of critique - active, costly, valuable in itself, and barely even a critique at all - is really nice.

weitendorf•1h ago
I completely agree. This is cool and fun and interesting, and dares to be unique. That’s what the Internet should be. It’s legitimately dangerous how reliant so many people are on computers and the Internet for entertainment, information, and their livelihoods almost entirely as passive consumers or users.

We need to bring back something like the MySpace era, I think.

I think it’s underrated how much devices, tools, and a handful of companies contribute to the current stage. Everybody wants to monetize consumers’ inability to do things on their own, developers’ potential to make money with their product and get locked in ($$$), and funnel people into things. But at the same time, that’s pretty much the only way anybody has been able to consistently get paid and keep up with technology by making software. It’s just very hard to get unstuck when your primary computer is a phone that is basically impossible to use as anything but a pacifier for the mind, and every platform wants to keep you from discovering anything outside of it.

I’m hopeful that better tools, AI, open source, and normalizing rewarding helpful people and things on the Internet will bring us back to what it could have been. Why is there literally nowhere to go anymore that doesn’t feel abandoned or like marketing slop? Maybe we’ll have to login with real names to access what comes after that, but maybe it won’t be so bad if we get to decide for ourselves how/what we do with it.

immibis•28m ago
Problem: the Internet is dangerous now. What you put in "your space" might get you fired, deported, etc. (Even if you think you're only posting safe things, consider the person who finds your space might not be sensible.) And not just people - everything you ever post can be assumed to be saved by countless "AI" systems by well-resourced groups, for future bad people to search through. See the imprisonment of Larry Bushart[1] over a Charlie Kirk meme. In most scenarios that's an okay thing to do, except when there are bad people in charge who are data-mining social platforms.

Posting anything is a risk. What benefit do you get from it - does it outweigh the risk? In the past, both the actual risk and the perceived risk were lower.

This concept explains the move from openly public forums and blogs to more private group chats (including Discord which is somewhat less public than the world wide web).

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/31/tennessee-ma...

zer00eyz•42m ago
> You want a live internet? Don't critique. If you want a no javascript version make one. If you have a better solution do it. If you have insight into the problem share it.

Go back to internet in 1999... There weren't a lot of text boxes to type into that got your content out. It required a bit of work (html, so not a lot) to get something out there!

Much like an amusement park with a sign that says "You must be at least this tall ----" the old internet was "You must be at least this smart/motivated".

Discoverability was also harder. Much much harder. Even if you did publish it might not ever be found, or seen, or used.

Today typing in a text box, and adding to a conversation (like this one) that someone else is going to read changed where the bar is.

To that end there are still plenty of focused communities that are less tribal, less emotional, than your average social media post. These remain great sources of not only information but community as well.

I find the places focused around work (like HN) and my hobbies to be the most interesting and engaging -- less "critical" and more thoughtful.

g8oz•19m ago
Does your comment need an AI disclaimer? The tone reeks of it.
jb_rad•4m ago
I’m glad you experienced the CLICK, I did too when GPT-3 released. The comment section was full of snarky, cynical, dismissive remarks with hundreds of likes. It smelled like Reddit but it was HN.

Cynicism is a dangerous instinct that captures many people. It’s easy, it’s rewarding, and it offers the psychological safety of unity. But it’s missing a key component. Hope.

I have no problem with critiques if they are accurate, insightful, and helpful. But cynics don’t think this way. Cynics seek to find the minimum viable argument to destroy anything that threatens change.

Stay awake my friend. Remain hopeful. We are hackers. We believe in the liberating potential of technology. We refuse to succumb to the lazy ignorant masses. We build.

“Only optimists build complex systems.”

Alex2037•3h ago
people forget that even before LLMs, the Internet was already shit. a third was SEO slop by ESL thirdworlders, another third - a kulturkampf battlefield. looking for the good parts had never been easy.
FrustratedMonky•3h ago
Is it even more proof that the Internet is dead, that we are now in the Nostalgia Phase. Looking back fondly at what it once was.
constantcrying•2h ago
Awful site, this is just a strawman. The dead Internet theory does not claim that real people do not upload things to the Internet, there was never any doubt about that.

The site has absolutely no grasp on what "dead Internet theory" is or what it claims.

>every image, video, song, and text uploaded by a real person on the web.

Which is then followed by a barage of mostly historical photos. Which is very weird, since these historical photos are certainly automatically uploaded from archives and are not some authentic individual expressions by individual Internet users, which makes the whole thing fully orthogonal to both claims.

Dead Internet theory in its original statement is the claim, that most users of the Internet are consumers who mostly read discussions, but do not participate. The small part of users who are actively participating are then engaged by "bots", supposedly to further certain agendas by the creators of the bots, like manufacturing a consensus or deliberately creating infighting.

If you just skim through the linked Wikipedia article you will immediately understand that this thesis can not be disproven by any amount of uploaded archive material.

crims0n•2h ago
I like this, makes me wonder what a curated internet by a benevolent dictator could offer.
throw10920•2h ago
Isn't the fact that most of the material comes from the Internet Archive somewhat a refutation of the Alive Internet Theory, which is that the internet is alive now, as opposed to some past archived point in time? (yes, I know the IA archives contemporary materials, but the purpose and majority of the content are from the past)
philipwhiuk•2h ago
Seems more 'undead' than alive given the methodology.
jaapz•2h ago
Haven't read the rest of the site but I really enjoyed the way you present it using the slider with the prevalent styles of certain periods
yoz-y•2h ago
Algorithmic internet can be eventually filled with bots and AI. But when you curate your own follow list you are pretty much immune.
ansc•2h ago
Uh, definitely NSFW. Did not expect to see porn and other questionable graphic material. I mean, that is what I remember from the "alive internet", so it's not wrong perhaps, but maybe should be flagged as such.
paulwilsondev•1h ago
Pretty sure it reacts to your cookies.
btbuildem•1h ago
Not sure what it's meant to be, it grinds to a halt on my M2 -- if there was a message, it's lost.
drowntoge•1h ago
> This website has been temporarily rate limited

Although being stuck at loading something was reminiscent of my early internet experience in a way, the site’s backend seems to be rate-limited and unable to serve. Will check back later!

bilsbie•21m ago
Someone should just make a no bots forum. I’m against requiring ID but there must be a way to do it.
moritzwarhier•8m ago
agreed about the point that this has nothing to do with dead internet theory.

A similar idea, but without the timeline idea and with YouTube videos instead of archive.org was this:

YouTube videos that have almost zero previous views (astronaut.io)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20432772

1362 points by monort on July 14, 2019 | 239 comments

I still like that one, maybe it appeals to more people here because the UI is more polished, and the video selection criteria work really well.

Although it also has the feel of seeing stuff that you're not meant to see sometimes.

It has an almost meditative feel to me, I like it.

Last time I opened it, for example, I saw a video of an old man playing a guitar, lots of hobby sports matches, and videos of private celebrations etc

Didn't encounter any NSFW stuff, but it's probably possible as far as YouTube can't prevent it, so if you must be 100% sure, you probably shouldn't open it.

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