China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China.
West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.
Europe never set any boundaries. Honestly our fault.
Let’s face it, nobody would care if China just would be a subordinate receiver of orders.
As soon they became a competitor there was a problem
Unfortunately. With around 500m customers, we could be powerful. But we arent: Stumbling upon our own feeds.
China shouldn't complain, especially don't bitch about racism.
Letting them cheat the globalist system (e.g. violating IP laws, human rights violations, Uyghur/Tibetan genocide) may have been fine when they were desperately poor, but there was always an implicit assumption that they would eventually start playing by the rules and culturally liberalize. But they're not. How can we hold onto ideals like "diversity is our strength" and open borders are good when China is kicking ass and threatening the balance of power as an insular ethnostate with one of the lowest rates of immigrants on the planet?
And now they're growing to a power level that threatens to rival the US and its authority to police this global system we've created. That isn't stable, and the west would be insane to not shut China out and take a step back from our open, globalist ideals until we sort out this geopolitical game of thrones.
Sure, let’s harden IP and other trade laws, and punish China for violations (start treating them as an adult, a nation peer, instead of a rowdy child). But giving up our strategic advantage because China was able to semi-copy-us without having that advantage would be a huge mistake imo. I’m not saying America doesn’t need major changes, but I don’t think the way forward is to close our borders to global talent. Instead, let’s take advantage of our superpower status to implement UHC and UBI, to make our nation even more attractive to talented immigrants.
The US has troops, tanks, aircraft, even nuclear weapons stationed in German.
Sovereignty vis-a-vis the United States is not something on the table.
I guess it will be 3/4/5G for a while, until they can someday cover the country just barely, and then 6G a decade and half later than everyone else (or is it by giving up sovereignty by buying US stuff instead?)
Sorry for being hopeless, but Germany has been very good at proving its inability to fix telco issues (or its train issues…).
However I wonder if that will remain true with 6G, or if it will even be affordable.
The United States honors international IP law and doesn't cheat its way into threatening domestic production of other countries like China does.
Because bashing all things American while ignoring the threat posed by China is part of Europe's cultural DNA.
Can you still say this with a straight face with everything that is coming from Washington?
My connection is 1.5 Gbits at 3am, but at peak time (7pm) I'm lucky to get 10 Mbits.
My network needs more capacity, and if 6G can offer it cheaper than building 5x more 5G masts, that's the route they'll have to take.
We are very far from the "imagine all the people, living live in peace". I wonder why that is...
https://therecord.media/spain-awards-contracts-huawei-intell...
Good to know it's not just China.
> Merz ruled out fully decoupling from China, which is Germany’s second-biggest trading partner. “We can’t do that,” he said. “China can’t do that, but we can do it even less.”
And even better to know that the move is practical and understands who has the upper hand.
This is all just talk. Either there are very real security concerns or someone lobbied heavily.
If you believe this I have a bridge to sell you. They're using this to hide the real reason for the move, which is to do Washington's bid, just like a good colony does.
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I have never seen anything but the various broad claims in the news and by politicians that seem to always just kind of come down to “China bad” as evidence. Maybe I just didn’t care enough to notice, but I would have thought that if there was something real to how Huawei hardware will make the sky fall, the powers that be would have surely made that case with clear and irrefutable proof.
Thanks for providing anything you might be able to point me towards that goes beyond “China bad”, regardless of how anyone feels about China.
mschuster91•5m ago
Try to use their routers as someone with needs greater than "get into the internet". Their UI is horribly slow and clunky, you'll need to reboot them every few months because something hangs itself and about every year or two they manage to get 0wned by a wormable exploit. On top of that, analyses have shown their firmware to be utterly rancid [1], although I do admit that this analysis is six years old.
> Maybe I just didn’t care enough to notice, but I would have thought that if there was something real to how Huawei hardware will make the sky fall, the powers that be would have surely made that case with clear and irrefutable proof.
The thing Western politicians are afraid of is running into another scenario like in the early days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where Viasat was hacked by the Russians leading to serious outages [2], or that the equipment - particularly anything with radios attached - can be "remote bricked" similar to how Israel detonated Hezbollah's pagers. It's bad enough we can't be sure that our own equipment is reasonably secure from cyber attacks, but Huawei is a complete blackbox. We need to prepare for a war scenario with China, either directly (the worst case), but at the very least as a side effect of an invasion of Taiwan. In either case I expect the CCP to behave like Mossad, cripple us piece by piece.
Even if the CCP never decides to invade Taiwan, it still makes sense to refuse their companies entry into our markets as long as our companies aren't welcome in theirs. I am a big friend of reciprocity and China hasn't given us much.
On top of that, Huawei was under fire for alleged sanctions violations and IP theft [3].
[1] https://www.securityweek.com/many-potential-backdoors-found-...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viasat_hack
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/13/huawei-ne...