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Cherry gives up German production and wants to sell core division

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cherry-gives-up-German-production-and-wants-to-sell-core-division-11092713.html
37•jsheard•2h ago

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ch_123•58m ago
A little over a decade ago, the patents expired on the MX switch design. The first clones (mostly from China) were cheap and terrible. Then came the ones which were cheap and almost as good. Then came the ones which were better than the originals, and eventually the ones which were more innovative too.

Meanwhile, Cherry kept making the same product line which they had since the 1980s, with relatively minor improvements.

donquichotte•53m ago
Interesting, do you have any examples of the latter two categories? Looking for a replacement for my Cherry-Keyboard.
Ekaros•48m ago
I think magnetic hall-effect switches in standard keyboard are interesting innovation. Basically allows you to tune at what point of key press they activate.
TheChaplain•38m ago
Well, there's Gateron and Keychron.. But from what I gather Cherry still are considered the choice if you want longevity.
chasil•35m ago
I found a mini-keyboard from dealnews.com for $20 with multicolor LEDs, that seems reliable.

I found another at Best Buy with red LEDs, but otherwise similar, and I gave it to my coworker. He wore all the letters off the keycaps before he retired and took it home, but it was otherwise reliable.

I think these were both blue switch-based.

Several genuine Cherry keyboards were in the e-waste pile at work, so I rescued them. I am using one on a test PC with rhel8.

https://www.dealnews.com/Redragon-S107-BA-Gaming-Keyboard-an...

https://www.dealnews.com/Aula-F75-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard...

https://www.dealnews.com/K4-RGB-Tenkeyless-Mechanical-Gaming...

I wish that Cherry could get a cut of these.

ch_123•9m ago
In this case, I'm talking specifically about the switches. There are various options from Gateron, Kailh and Outemu (including switches made by these companies but sold under different brands) which are widely regarded as superior to Cherry's options.

In terms of keyboards, a good all-rounder suggestion is to take a look at some options from Keychron.

Ekaros•52m ago
Bought first board with swappable switches this month. And bit later about 70 different samples from Ali. Just the cheer quantity of that number is crazy to me.

Have to figure out if there is anything there when they arrive. But I think that is not even inclusive of some more expensive chinese brands.

Still, it is another interesting example how something can end up standard. That is the pin layout and the stem for keycap.

jsheard•50m ago
> Just the cheer quantity of that number is crazy to me.

The count is a bit inflated because different colorways of the same design by the same manufacturer are often sold as "different" switches, but even if you filter those duplicates out there's still a ton of distinct ones out there.

stockresearcher•34m ago
> Cherry kept making the same product line which they had since the 1980s, with relatively minor improvements.

Cherry was an American company that manufactured in the US until the automotive division was sold to a German company with keyboard switches thrown in. They moved production to Germany to capitalize on the perception of German quality. So, it’s not really surprising that it stagnated - it was a somewhat unwanted portion of a company and all the original folks got left behind.

constantcrying•57m ago
At this point it seems inevitable that most of Europe is going to experience severe economic struggles.

Manufacturing in Germany is dying, making anything which is cost competitive is impossible and the measures trying to fix it are miniscule compared to the magnitude of the problem.

dinkblam•50m ago
> Manufacturing in Germany is dying

no surprise given the high taxes, extreme energy prices, massive bureaucracy, ridiculous regulations, work-hating employees and extremely business-hostile culture

cdmckay•44m ago
I think it’s mostly the loss of Nord Stream
AlexandrB•38m ago
It's the loss of Germany's last nuclear plants in 2023[1]. For a country supposedly aiming for net zero the shutdown of their nuclear infrastructure was a huge "own goal". Really sad to see.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-...

cenamus•11m ago
Strange that the share pf renewables has beem steadily increasing
Phil_Latio•25m ago
It's just one piece of the puzzle. The cost for Co2 certificates is a more major reason. Starting 2027, hedge funds can buy these certificates which will be the nail in the coffin. It's basically Bitcoin on steroids with the difference that people buy Bitcoin out of free will, while the industry is forced to buy these certificates which get more scarce over time.
aurelwu•9m ago
Anyone can already buy those certificates - but as its an artificial market where rules can be changed politically it's actually way more resistant to such things than regular markets, so if those hedge funds feel like they want to lose some billions they can certainly do that. There is a large enough stockpile of certificates + leeway when to submit them that any short term market squeeze will just be dealt with politically.
mx7zysuj4xew•6m ago
This is it.

A lot of people seem to be pushing some weird "anti-environmental" when the simple reality is that all energy costs

I cannot understate the impact of Russian Energy being cut off. Right now we're paying roughly twice as much than we used to for compressed natural gas brought via tanker ships from the us. I genuinely believe that the war in Ukraine is mostly about energy dependence on Russia and Ukraine losing its transfer fees through their old pipelines

pfannkuchen•49m ago
Just stop trading manufactured products with Asia.

Their people are still transitioning from agrarian hardship to urban factory life, and there seems to be a zeal that comes with this transition, a willingness to work hard for what here today would be considered little.

Good for them. But in Europe we had this transition already and we became disillusioned with the lifestyle tradeoffs.

Having our people do nothing productive while all of our life objects are made by others is not sustainable and it is awful for the morale of our peoples. It needs to be stopped.

dinkblam•48m ago
> It needs to be stopped.

forcing germans to buy everything at 10 times of what it costs now is not the way to rescue the country

pfannkuchen•43m ago
Can you please think through what would happen a bit further? What you say here is a first order analysis on a very short time scale. It does not capture the end state of such a change. The acceptable transition period for a change depends on the severity of the problem the change is targeting, and in this case here the problem is quite severe, so our acceptable transition period should at least be measured in half decades, not weeks.
chasil•28m ago
How is Apple not a forbidden product after this wall comes down?

Perhaps you can limit the allowed manufactured units to India, but the U.S. also wants those.

kragen•24m ago
No, we've been trying it here in Argentina for the last 75 years. When we started, we were one of the richest countries in the world. It's not the way to rescue the country.
mertbio•47m ago
Germany doesn’t compete in cheap manufacturing, they compete in highly precise manufacturing. There are bunch of things that are only manufactured in Germany. You don’t hear those companies that much because they are not public but they are well known by the people who work in specific industries. When you combine them, they are way bigger than the German companies you hear everyday which are laying off people or closing factories.

For some reason, every time Europe is mentioned, there is always a comment about how Europe is struggling but when you look at the quality of life, happiness or life expectancy, all those numbers are higher than the US. People should stop obsessing with GDP.

constantcrying•34m ago
I know many of these companies and I have even been invited to some of them.

I am not some American desperate to insult Europeans. I am a German, I work in the German industry, my livelihood depends on this economy.

>When you combine them, they are way bigger than the German companies you hear everyday which are laying off people or closing factories.

This plainly is not true. Even the "small champions" are struggling, because they are mostly suppliers to the large companies. A very significant part of the "Mittelstand" exists as specialized suppliers to the German car, Aerospace and Railway companies. If those are struggling, then the suppliers feel the pain just as much.

AlexandrB•27m ago
GDP is a leading indicator. You can't fund European-style transit and social services forever if there's less money coming in.
noobermin•20m ago
certain people want the rest of the world to become like china and india, top down sweatshops so they can squeeze just a little more dollar out of people
jsheard•17m ago
As the article goes into, Cherry had their lunch eaten because they barely made any attempt to innovate for decades, they just coasted on their patents until they expired, and then they were eaten alive. They were doomed regardless of where they were based.
casenmgreen•41m ago
Historically, before I went to laptop, I always bought Cherry.

I was looking for a portable external keeb recently, and I looked to Cherry and they simply had nothing which even approximately matched the form factor I needed. I wanted to buy from them, but couldn't.

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