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(AI) Slop Terrifies Me

https://ezhik.jp/ai-slop-terrifies-me/
60•Ezhik•2h ago

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PlatoIsADisease•1h ago
>What if the future of computing belongs not to artisan developers or Carol from Accounting, but to whoever can churn out the most software out the fastest? What if good enough really is good enough for most people?

Sounds like the cost of everything goes down. Instead of subscription apps, we have free Fdroid apps. Instead of only the 0.1% commissioning art, all of humanity gets to commission art.

And when we do pay for things, instead of an app doing 1 feature well, we have apps do 10 features well with integration. (I am living this, instead of shipping software with 1 core feature, I can do 1 core feature and 6 different options for free, no change order needed)

Ezhik•57m ago
The future you describe seems closer to the "Carol from Accounting" future I am hoping for in the blog post. My worry is that cost of everything goes down just enough to price out of existence all of the artists the 0.1% used to commission, without actually letting all of humanity do the same.
bartvk•1h ago
I deeply hate the people that use AI to poison the music, video or articles that I consume. However I really feel that it can possibly make software cheaper.

A couple of years ago, I worked for an agency as a dev. I had a chat with one of the sales people, and he said clients asked him why custom apps were so expensive, when the hardware had gotten relatively cheap. He had a much harder time selling mobile apps.

Possibly, this will bring a new era of decent macOS desktop and mobile apps, not another web app that I have to run in my browser and have no control over.

tonyedgecombe•1h ago
>Possibly, this will bring a new era of decent macOS desktop and mobile apps, not another web app that I have to run in my browser and have no control over.

There has been no shortage of mobile apps, Apple frequently boasts that there are over 2 million of them in the App Store.

I have little doubt there will be more, whether any of the extra will be decent remains to be seen.

vrighter•49m ago
ai is trained on the stuff already written. Software has been taking a nosedive for ages (ex, committing to shipping something in 6 months before one even figures out what to put in it). If anything shit will get worse due to the deskilling being caused by ai.
andrewstuart•1h ago
I use AI/LLMs hard for my programming.

They allow me to do work I could never have done before.

But there’s no chance at all of an LLM one shotting anything that I aim to build.

Every single step in the process is an intensely human grind trying to understand the LLM and coax it to make the thing I have in mind.

The people who are panicking aren’t using this stuff in depth. If they were, then they would have no anxiety at all.

If only the LLM was smart enough to write the software. I wish it could. It can’t, nor even close.

As for web browsers built in a few hours. No. No LLM is coming anywhere new at building a web browser in a few hours. Unless your talking about some super simple super minimal toy with some of the surface appearance of a web browser.

ChrisMarshallNY•1h ago
This has been my experience. I tend to use chats, in a synchronous, single-threaded manner, as opposed to agents, in an asynchronous way. That’s because I think of the LLM as a “know-it-all smartass personal assistant”; not an “employee replacement.”

I just enjoy writing my own software. If I have a tool that will help me to lubricate the tight bits, I’ll use it.

Tade0•22m ago
Same. I hit Tab a lot because even though the system doesn't actually understand what it's doing, it's really good at following patterns. Takes off the mental load of checking syntax.

Occasionally of course it's way off, in which case I have to tell it to stfu ("snooze").

Also it's great at presenting someone else's knowledge, as it doesn't actually know facts - just what token should come after a sequence of others. The other day I just pasted an error message from a system that I wasn't familiar with and it explained in detail what the problem was and how to solve it - brilliant, just what I wanted.

ChrisMarshallNY•19m ago
> The other day I just pasted an error message from a system that I wasn't familiar with and it explained in detail what the problem was and how to solve it

That’s probably the single most valuable aspect, for me.

Ezhik•50m ago
I'm less afraid of people using LLMs for coding well than I am of people not caring to and just shipping slop.

This is the browser engine I was alluding to in the post: https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender

fancyfredbot•1h ago
> You get AI that can make you like 90% of a thing! 90% is a lot. Will you care about the last 10%? I'm terrified that you won't.

Based on the Adobe stock price the market thinks AI slop software will be good enough for about 20% of Adobe users (or Adobe will need to make its software 20% cheaper, or most likely somewhere between).

Interestingly workday, which is possibly slightly simpler software more easily replicable using coding agents is about the same (down 26%).

twoodfin•44m ago
The bear case for Workday is not that it gets replicated as slop, but that its “user base” becomes dominated by agents.

Agents don’t care about any of Workday’s value-adds: Customizable workflows, “intuitive” experiences, a decent mobile app. Agents are happy to write SQL against a few boring databases.

beardyw•1h ago
I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects.

A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately liable to turn to violence. I can see it ending badly. Trouble who in power is willing to stop it?

lm2s•53m ago
Yes, that’s why they are on the race to building the very advanced robots. To prevent the violence towards them.
satisfice•33m ago
That is exactly the motivation. The problem with being a billionaire is you still have to associate with poor people. But imagine a world where your wealth completely insulates you from the resentful poor.
gib444•13m ago
How does a billionaire have to associate with poor people? They can live in a complete bubble: house in the hills, driven by a chauffeur, private jets, private islands for holidays etc...?
jjgreen•49m ago
Welcome to capitalism!
Muromec•48m ago
It's regression to the mean in action. Everethyng eventually collapses into olygarhy and wevwill simply joing the unpriviliged rest in their misery. Likely with few wars civil or not here and there
kubb•46m ago
I wonder, will the rich start hiring elaborate casts of servants including butlers, footmen, lady's maids, and so on, since they'll be the only ones with the income?
temp8830•39m ago
They already do. In fact, we are all working in service of their power trips.
ted_bunny•26m ago
This is what the service economy in the imperial core already is.
drzaiusx11•4m ago
As far as I can tell, the rich have never stopped employing elaborate casts of servants; these servants just go by different titles now: private chef, personal assistant, nanny, fashion consultant, etc.
latexr•39m ago
> Trouble who in power is willing to stop it?

Absolutely no one.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/719111/survival-of-t...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwJQEAI_KE0

pydry•24m ago
>We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects.

Brink? This has been the reality for decades now.

>A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately liable to turn to violence. I can see it ending badly. Trouble who in power is willing to stop it?

Nobody. They will try to channel it.

I think all signals are pretty inevitably pointing to three potential outcomes (in order of likelihood): WW3, soviet style collapse of the west or a soviet style collapse of the sino-russian bloc.

If the promise of AI is real I think it makes WW3 a much more likely outcome - a "freed up" disaffected workforce pining for meaning and a revolutionized AI-drone first battlefield both tip the scales in favor of world war.

KurSix•5m ago
People in power won't act out of foresight or ethics. They'll act when the cost of not acting exceeds the cost of doing something messy and imperfect
outime•57m ago
> 90% is a lot. Will you care about the last 10%? I'm terrified that you won't.

I feel like long before LLMs, people already didn't care about this.

If anything software quality has been decreasing significantly, even at the "highest level" (see Windows, macOS, etc). Are LLMs going to make it worse? I'm skeptical, because they might actually accelerate shipping bug fixes that (pre-LLMs) would have required more time and management buy-in, only to be met with "yeah don’t bother, look at the usage stats, nobody cares".

intrasight•40m ago
If it can enable very small teams to deliver big apps, I do think the quality will increase.
hereme888•55m ago
"terrified".... overused word. As a man I literally can't relate. I get terrified when I see a shark next to me in the ocean. I get impatient when code is hard to debug.
intrasight•45m ago
> I'm terrified that our craft will die, and nobody will even care to mourn it.

"Terrified" is a strong word for the death of any craft. And as long as there are thousands that love the craft, then it will not have died.

blaze33•38m ago
As much as we speak about slop in the context of AI, slop as the cheap low-quality thing is not a new concept.

As lots of people seem to always prefer the cheaper option, we now have single-use plastic ultra-fast fashion, plastic stuff that'll break in the short term, brittle plywood furniture, cheap ultra-processed food, etc.

Classic software development always felt like a tailor-made job to me and of course it's slow and expensive but if it's done by professionals it can give excellent results. Now if you can get crappy but cheap and good enough results of course it'll be the preferred option for mass production.

Der_Einzige•26m ago
Our paper on removing AI slop got accepted to ICLR 2026, and it's under consideration for an IgNobel prize:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.15061

Our definition of slop (repetitive characteristic language from LLMs) is the original one as articulated by the LLM creative writing community circa 2022-2023. Folks trying to redefine it today to mean "lazy LLM outputs I don't like" should have chosen a different word.

Havoc•23m ago
The slop is sad but a mild irritation at most.

It's the societal level impact of recent advances that I'd call "terrifying". There is a non-zero chance we end up with a "useless" class that can't compete against AI & machines - like at all, on any metric. And there doesn't seem to be much of a game plan for dealing with that without social fabric tearing

KurSix•7m ago
I don't think craft dies, but I do think it retreats
roxolotl•6m ago
LLM are an embodiment of the Pareto principle. Turns out that if you can get an 80% solution in 1% of the time no one gives a shit about the remaining 20%. I agree that’s terrifying. The existential AI risk crowd is afraid we’ll produce gods to destroy us. The reality is we’ve instead exposed a major weakness in our culture where we’ve trained ourselves to care nothing about quality but instead to maximize consumption.

This isn’t news really. Content farms already existed. Amusing Ourselves to Death was written in 1985. Critiques of the culture exist way before that. But the reality of seeing the end game of such a culture laid bare in the waste of the data center buildout is shocking and repulsive.

KurSix•3m ago
The data center buildout feels obscene when framed this way. Not because computation is evil, but because we're burning planetary-scale resources to accelerate a culture that already struggles to articulate why quality matters at all

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