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Netherlands – Capital Growth Tax and Capital Gains Tax for Box 3

https://kpmg.com/xx/en/our-insights/gms-flash-alert/flash-alert-2025-116.html
67•ivankra•1h ago

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deaux•40m ago
(June 2025)
UltraSane•38m ago
What happens when you have a capital loss after paying taxes on the gains and then it goes back to the same value you paid taxes on? Do you still pay the tax? Or does it have to go higher than the last highest value you paid taxes on? That seems the fairest option.
typon•32m ago
ideally you should get a deduction in later years
engineer_22•31m ago
Maybe they will treat them similar to how they treat realized capital losses currently
divbzero•26m ago
Or, if you have a capital loss this year after paying takes on gains last year, can you carry back the deduction to last year?
jmyeet•24m ago
This is a solved problem. When you sell a house in the US, you ahve to determine what your capital gain is for tax purposes. That includes all purchase and selling costs (eg agents fees, transfer taxes, etc). Those are all added to the purchase price to determine your cost basis.

The capital gain is simply the sale price minus the cost basis, which might be a loss.

So if you've paid unrealized capital gains taxes along the way, you either get credit for those taxes already paid (and possibly get a refund if you've overpaid) or they're simply added to the cost basis.

LZ_Khan•32m ago
well this will probably cause an exit of businesses
ivankra•30m ago
Businessmen - it's for personal income taxes. I don't think it affects corporate taxes. Yet.
B1FF_PSUVM•22m ago
Don't IKEA have a tax-free "design foundation" over there?
keerthiko•21m ago
as worded is this tax not levied on any entity holding assets that can appreciate in value (businesses can hold stock too)?
tschellenbach•31m ago
The title here mostly doesn't match the article right? Quote: "But unlike the capital growth tax, capital gains tax will, in principle, only be levied at the time of realisation. This is usually when the relevant asset is sold, but also when immovable property exits Box 3 for another reason, such as emigration."
kingstnap•26m ago
As I understand it most things like stocks with be under the capital growth scheme, taxed yearly, but they left a carve out for real-estate where it only is levied at sale/realization time.
appreciatorBus•22m ago
Classic loophole. We tell ourselves this is to protect the little people who own homes, but the actual little people don’t have homes at all and rent. Meanwhile, anyone with money will get the picture invest all of it in real estate, once again enriching homeowner as well impoverishing the rest of us.
bongodongobob•17m ago
Only 29% of people in the Netherlands rent and that number is decreasing.
tempestn•12m ago
In a way I agree with you that this will cause market distortion in the form of greater demand for real estate over eg. equities. But there are plenty of such tax distortions; for example many countries have favourable tax treatment for domestic dividends.

Regardless, I assume the logic behind this exception is that while you can easily sell a portion of your holdings of publicly traded stocks to cover your annual tax burden, you can't sell a portion of a house. You could of course finance, but that's going to disproportionately benefit lenders.

icegreentea2•9m ago
It's true that it's a carve out, and current young generations are having huge problems getting homes in a lot of the world.

But in the Netherlands, the overall home ownership rate is still about 70 percent (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/ilc_lvho02__c... might need to drill down a little).

In the US it's 65 percent.

Carve outs for home owners are some of the most understandable political strategies across the developed world.

andsoitis•26m ago
“The capital growth tax will apply to most assets, taxing both realised and unrealised returns, including appreciation in value and income from assets like shares, cryptocurrencies, and savings.”
TulliusCicero•26m ago
Yeah but the previous paragraph says

> The bill regarding Box 3 introduces two main categories of taxation: capital growth tax and capital gains tax. The capital growth tax will apply to most assets, taxing both realised and unrealised returns, including appreciation in value and income from assets like shares, cryptocurrencies, and savings. Exchange results on bank balances in currencies other than EUR will also be taxed.

And normally unrealized capital gains on these sorts of assets aren't taxed.

icegreentea2•23m ago
I think in more general usage if you asked people what assets "taxing unrealized capital gains" would cover, you could get a basket if things like shares, real property, businesses, etc.

The article indicates that the Dutch government has decided to treat startups and real estate under the bucket "capital gains", and stuff under "capital growth".

So for an more informal standpoint, the title is a reasonable way to summarize what's happening to the layish person.

ivankra•19m ago
Looks like they're coining a new legal term "Capital Growth Tax", under which they are going to tax unrealized capital gains. I'm not aware of any other country that taxes them like that (besides wealth/exit taxes), so maybe they're the world's first here!

Some countries have wealth taxes - but they are usually flat or scale with wealth, not the yearly increase in wealth. Note that currently NL does de facto have a wealth tax in Box 3 system - shares are presumed to have a fictional fixed yield of around 5-6% per year on which they charge you income tax, so it works out to about 2% wealth tax.

varenc•7m ago
For the wealth tax, do updates to the fair market value of the shares affect the wealth tax rate? Or it's just an assume fixed growth of 5-6% per year until gains are realized? I can think of pros and cons of both.
mbesto•6m ago
> I'm not aware of any other country that taxes them like that (besides wealth/exit taxes), so maybe they're the world's first here!

Real estate taxes.

> not the yearly increase in wealth.

Real estate taxes.

kingstnap•29m ago
> The capital growth tax will apply to most assets, taxing both realised and unrealised returns, including appreciation in value and income from assets like shares, cryptocurrencies, and savings. Exchange results on bank balances in currencies other than EUR will also be taxed.

Ouch. I suppose this is supposed to combat the trend of share buybacks over dividends. Gonna seriously suck to be anyone Norwegian and having to sell stocks to pay for taxes on your unrealized gains.

Also if the euro dives as well during inflation its gonna be painful.

anon291•26m ago
The demonym of those from the Netherlands is 'Dutch'
kingstnap•21m ago
I totally misread the title as Norway, guess I was thinking about the sovereign wealth fund.
tom_•21m ago
This won’t obviously apply to Norwegians, as it’s for the Netherlands.
stunami•10m ago
Ah ha, but it would for expat Norwegians living in the Netherlands ! If we're not worried about the minority Norwegian expat groups, what has the world come to.
tobyjsullivan•19m ago
Seems like it would also result in capital investors covering more year-to-year tax revenue, which could reduce some pressure on other tax payers.

In theory, capital gains should average out over time. But in practice, I think an increasing amount of wealth is being held and not realized over many decades.

It doesn’t help anyone that a few billion $ of gains will be taxed eventually if that is so far into the future that most citizens alive today will have passed away by then.

andsoitis•28m ago
Usually wealth taxes like this only applies to people with (net) assets in excess of a fairly large amount like 50m or 100m, etc.

Skimming the article I couldn’t tell whether that’s the case here.

If not, it seems like it would have pretty bad implications for the average person who isn’t super wealthy but who are trying to build wealth.

oliv__•21m ago
The people voting for these laws don't want anyone to be wealthy. It's a race to the bottom
yunohn•10m ago
Sadly the threshold for wealth tax in the Netherlands has always been abysmally low - even in 2025, the untaxed “wealth” is only 50k.
jmyeet•26m ago
Good. IMHO unrealized gains and profit shifting are two of the biggest problems in modern taxation that need to be addressed.

Many people will have heard about the Buy Borrow Die strategy by now. In case not, it's basically where you don't sell an asset (and thus have to pay taxes on the gain). You use it as collateral for a loan and just spend the laon while the asset continues to appreciate (hopefully) faster than the interest rate. What's particularly gross about this is that many asets in many countries can be inherited by children on what's called a stepped up basis, meaning the base value for determining any capital gains taxes resets to the current market value when the owner dies. This is a massive tax break for the wealthy.

Companies have their own version of this. This has been somewhat (but not entirely) addressed in the US tax code now but it used to be that foreign corporate profits did not incur US corporate taxes as long as the money wasn't repatriated, meaning it stays overseas. But you know what you can do? That's right. Borrow money used those foreign profits as collateral and wait long enough for the US government to give you a tax holiday or to otherwise change the rules (which they did).

IMHO borrowing money against an asset should be realizing a gain and borrowing against foreign profits should be repatriating those profits.

Some will argue how you can't tax unrealized gains or it's not fair, we do it all the time. They're called property taxes.

Profit shifting is still a big problem. This is where, for example, tech companies would sell ads and services in the UK at "cost" to their Irish subsidiary, who would make all the profits. Almost nothing in UK profits where the tax rate is higher. Transfer pricing is (generally) illegal. Profit shifting isn't. What's the difference? Yes.

I think the EU and the US in particular need to start doing what I call profit apportionment, meaning if 50% of your revenue is booked in the US then 50% of your worldwide profits are taxable in the US.

You might say "they'll hide profits in subsidiaries" but really this is a solved problem already. We ahve ways of dealing with subsidiaries that are at arms length or not. We also have financial reporting to stock markets and there's really no reason tax authorities couldn't use published financial statements as a basis for taxation.

anon291•25m ago
Unless you get to carry over unrealized capital losses , this taxation regime is highly regressive.
temp2441139•11m ago
> This is a massive tax break for the wealthy.

Do you have a reference for this?

Any sort of gift or inheritance transfers the cost basis as far as I know.

bcardarella•7m ago
I agree that borrowing against unrealized gains is crap, it's lead to major economic divide. However, just make borrowing against unrealized gains illegal. Taxing unrealized gains is the wrong solution for a real problem.
lordofgibbons•25m ago
How are situations like lack of liquidity to pay the taxes handled?

i.e, As an employee you get stock options, which you exercise when you leave the startup. Then long before the company has a liquidity event the FMV shoots up because the business is doing well. How do you as a wage worker pay the taxes on your paper riches without a way to sell your shares?

temp2441139•14m ago
I guess there would be all sorts of megacorps happy to loan you money for this with your assets as collateral.

Remember London and Amsterdam have extremely strong finance industry lobbying, and that shows up in their lawmaking.

monero-xmr•13m ago
You need to exit the Netherlands
nimih•5m ago
I think in that case, you, the hypothetical wage worker, got hoodwinked pretty effectively by the beancounters when they were able to get away with compensating you in contracts that are, apparently, largely worthless to you.
exabrial•23m ago
We dodged a huge bullet in the US with this. We already pay _excessive_ amounts of federal income tax for extreme inefficiency, the vast majority of it simply being funneled into the pockets of the ultra wealthy.
askmike•16m ago
To summarize the current Dutch personal income system: besides income from salary and income from own business (these are taxed quite high), income from investments (stocks, passive investments, real estate excluding your first home) is taxed quite low. The amount is simply a percentage based on the value (as per the start of the year) of your investments.

So in the Dutch tax system there is no difference between realized and unrealized gain. As such it doesn't matter when you buy/sell your investments. It doesn't impact your tax burden. The effect you get is that everyone's wealth just slowly erodes away, just like with inflation (unless your yield outpaces that).

But with this new law that all might change.

lateforwork•7m ago
That seems like a reasonable approach. That's much preferable to a tax on realized gains and a tax on unrealized gains. In the US when you buy a mutual fund you're already paying a "tax", for example, Fidelity eats 0.83% if you invest in their FSLVX mutual fund [1].

[1] https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/31612...

pembrook•15m ago
Sometimes we have to place our hand on the stove to learn why we shouldn’t place our hand on the stove.

There’s a bizarre silliness to implementing this compared the relative ease of just increasing capital gains taxes (accrued capital gains are already tracked and reported!) to match income. Will just be a massive jobs program for the bean counters and consultants.

As someone living somewhat Netherlands adjacent, I will happily welcome all Dutch entrepreneurs and investors who wish to grow our local economy instead and not be forced to sell chunks of their company to the state over time.

SilverElfin•11m ago
So can you get unrealized capital losses to turn into tax credits? And can a person build up these credits to use in different years? If not, this is just a big tax increase to support continued government inefficiency instead of fixing spending and efficiency problems.
ekianjo•8m ago
No this only goes one way, of course.
clickety_clack•8m ago
About a year ago, Draghi released this report on European Competitiveness (https://commission.europa.eu/topics/competitiveness/draghi-r...). In it he says "A key reason for less efficient financial intermediation in Europe is that capital markets remain fragmented and flows of savings into capital markets are lower."

I don't have data readily to hand (and Draghi probably mentions this in the report, I can't remember), but anecdotally based on what I hear from many of my European friends, Europeans basically keep their savings in bank savings accounts. That means that there is less investment capital floating around, which in turn means that the tiny fraction that finds its way into innovation is in turn greatly diminished. Europeans are dependent on bank loans for funding, and banks want to see assets as security for their loans.

Policies like this would further disincentivize Europeans to invest in their own stock markets, further damaging the ability of Europeans to innovate.

bawolff•7m ago
So how does that work for assets with unclear value?
abtinf•5m ago
It is difficult to imagine a more catastrophically destructive economic policy.

If this is actually implemented, the Dutch are toast.

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