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Why doesn't Apple make a standalone Touch ID?

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/why-doesnt-apple-make-standalone-touch-id
41•thomasjb•3h ago

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ggm•3h ago
Doesn't this tie back strongly to the secure region logic?

Sensing is one thing. Trusting the sensor input and what it unlocks is another.

crazygringo•1h ago
No, because they already do it for keyboards. There's zero reason they couldn't make it standalone. It's just the keyboard minus the rest of the keys.
ggm•40m ago
So they do a protocol bootstrap to link the sensor to the secure zone in some manner rooted in the trust region CA, and then do what they need without divulging secrets, over the USB bus? ok. that (or a more cogent version) would make sense.

If you just package this button up, as a USB device, it's no different, if it can be bootstrapped as an input device "to" the secure zone.

drum55•12m ago
It’s more or less an entire apple watch acting as a secure element, or used to be in the older models.
andsoitis•1h ago
How big do you think the market for that would be?
Brajeshwar•1h ago
From the way the Polishing Cloth, and recently, the iPhone Pocket gets sold out; this will get easily sold.
heddelt•1h ago
>iPhone Pocket

That has got to be a joke. It's like they're mocking their customers. I can't stop laughing at the sight of the guy they somehow convinced to model this thing in their promotional photo.

crazygringo•18m ago
It's a trendy fashion item for a particular subset of rich fashion people, which is not most people. It makes total sense in that context. It doesn't really need to make sense to everybody else.
mcphage•1h ago
Bigger than the market for $200 phone pockets.
crazygringo•1h ago
A big proportion of everyone who uses a non-Apple keyboard with their Mac, I'd say. I would absolutely use one with my ergonomic keyboard, TouchID is so much more convenient than constantly typing your password in.
andsoitis•1h ago
> A big proportion of everyone who uses a non-Apple keyboard with their Mac, I'd say.

If you were to guess how many sales (e.g. in units) they'd make every year, what would you guess?

dwood_dev•16m ago
Hundreds, maybe even thousands.

I jest, but probably the $150 sales of the TouchID keyboard would tank as they are displaced by such a device.

re-thc•1h ago
Which is small considering the Mac market itself is small relative to the PC market.
nkrisc•1h ago
So you’re already starting with a pretty slim market.
tgma•1h ago
It's so much more fun to use a Mac without TouchID. The whole Safari password autofill experience is much faster and less annoying when you don't have TouchID (does not ask for any approval while you're logged in/Keychain is unlocked.) If there's a `defaults write` command I can run to emulate my Mac mini experience on a MacBook please let me know.

P.S. Liquid Glass + TouchID approval needed for every Keychain entry == Windows Vista

ninthcat•1h ago
System Settings > Touch ID & Password > Use Touch ID for autofilling passwords. Turn this off on Macs with Touch ID and Safari will autofill without requiring Touch ID.
tyre•1h ago
I mean, why would they?

There is no scalable market. They want to control the hardware for quality and margins. They already sell a keyboard with Touch ID included. Mac accessories are far from their focus area.

They don’t because it doesn’t make sense to.

Edit: If you’re downvoting, feel free to say why!

starkparker•17m ago
If they made something that was just the sensor and logic board that they already manufacture, and sold it for exactly the same US$149 retail price _or more_, there are people in this thread who would buy it.
re-thc•1h ago
On the same note they should make a Face ID camera like Windows Hello.
mayoff•1h ago
I was shocked they didn’t do this when they added the “notch” to MacBooks.
sen•1h ago
I’ve been griping over this for years now. I get pretty bad RSI so like using a split mechanical keyboard for coding, but I also use long/complex passwords so I like using Touch ID too. It dumbfounds me that you can’t get a Touch ID pad or even a numpad with Touch ID to sit next to aftermarket keyboards.
czstrong•21m ago
I bought a used Magic Keyboard on eBay for about $50 to sit within reach of my mechanical keyboard. Considered mounting it under my desk but haven’t bothered yet.
cherioo•11m ago
I just bought the same and planning to break out just the touch id to put into a 3D printed enclosure. Expensive hobby…
Waterluvian•1h ago
Why would you unbundle your bundle and sell the TV channels one by one?
crazygringo•37m ago
Because if someone is going to all the trouble of getting a non-Apple keyboard, TouchID isn't going to convince them to go back to an Apple keyboard. They're using a different keyboard because things like key travel or ergonomics are a necessity.

Apple could sell a standalone TouchID sensor and charge $50 or $60 for it.

aetherspawn•57m ago
I buy and use the stupid keyboard just for this inconvenience.

Although to be honest not the worst keyboard I own, but not the best, I probably rate it like a 7/10.

It would be a 5/10 if the Bluetooth wasn’t so magically seamless.

The low profile means I can get by without a wrist pillow.

commandersaki•13m ago
I had a mechanical keyboard before getting the touch id one, and I have to say the touch id one feels much better to type on anyway.
nunez•53m ago
To be fair, your Apple Watch becomes a secure authenticator for your Mac when paired, so Apple probably prefers that you just buy an Apple Watch.
geerlingguy•48m ago
I tried living with just the Apple Watch instead of the Touch ID for a few months to see how reliable it was...

Sometimes it would take a few minutes in the morning before my Mac would even recognize 'hey, there's a watch' (typing in my full password was usually much quicker than waiting for the watch unlock).

Sometimes whatever notification happens that triggers the watch to vibrate and allow the double-squeeze-to-accept action would just... not.

Other times the above notification would pop up about 8-15 seconds after the prompt on the screen.

It was inconsistent enough I got _really_ good at typing my password, since it was normally quicker than waiting on the Apple Watch.

Contrast that with the Touch ID, that's always ready to go.

plorkyeran•45m ago
TouchID does more than just unlock the computer. It's usable any time you'd otherwise be prompted for your password.
graeme•39m ago
You can use apple watch for password managers and all macos passwords prompts. Does require an apple silicon mac iirc.

The main downside is it doesn't always recognize and it takes a few seconds to trigger. I'd love a separate touch id. But absent that the watch is quite useful.

commandersaki•11m ago
Can the watch authenticate it is who you really are? Asking because I do not know anything about the watches.
sleepybrett•43m ago
I used to have terrible rsi and switched to a kinesis advantage, if I could get a little touchid pad that i could attach with doublesided tape to it, it would be awesome. As it stands I just type my password a lot.
petesergeant•23m ago
I stick an Apple Keboard to the underside of my desk
Simulacra•40m ago
I really miss touch ID on my phone, all of the swiping is a little cumbersome and sore after a while. Stretching my hand to swipe up down and so forth. I deeply miss the home button.
dbg31415•32m ago
So this setup is for people who use a Mac, but not a Mac laptop (or who keep the laptop closed and use it exclusively with an external monitor), and who also don't want to buy Apple's keyboard with Touch ID, or an Apple Watch. I gotta say, I don't think that's a huge group of people.
QuercusMax•31m ago
It's very annoying when I'm using my personal mac mini and have to type my password a billion times, compared to my work macbook which lets me touch id.

But is it annoying enough I'd actually buy one of these hypothetical $50 boxes? IDK.... I've got my two machines on a KVM so I can use my Kinesis keyboard with both of them.

charlietran•12m ago
I did this recently, though on a much lower budget. You don’t need to buy a new $150 magic keyboard or a 3d printer.

1. Buy an old A2449 keyboard, ideally one with broken keys or battery but working touch ID. I got mine for $45 shipped. Recent listing example: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=magic+keyboard+a2449&_s...

2. Pry it apart as described in the article (really, there is so much glue) and then use some spare Legos to make an enclosure like this person: https://grepjason.sh/2022/standalone-touch-id-part-2

I integrated mine into a Lego space diorama set for better vibes: https://imgur.com/a/Im7t9Xb

ChrisMarshallNY•8m ago
I actually have a small Magic Keyboard under my desk (in the keyboard tray). It’s positioned, so that I can reach under, without looking, and touch the Touch ID.

I don’t like the rest of the keyboard. I have a big Keychron on top of the desk, that I use for typing.

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