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Coffee linked to slower biological ageing among those with severe mental illness

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/coffee-linked-to-slower-biological-ageing-among-those-with-severe-mental-illness-up-to-a-limit
49•bookofjoe•1h ago

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renewiltord•1h ago
Even the ones born not on Mondays between 0700 and 1100?
brikym•1h ago
Liking coffee linked to ...
jagged-chisel•53m ago
Is this a quote? Or your own take?
lowdest•44m ago
Do you like sweets? I noticed as I became an adult sometime in my mid-20s, I stopped liking sweet flavors as much and developed a new appreciation for bitter flavors. Like coffee and some vegetables.
silisili•13m ago
My tastes changed a lot over the years. I quit liking sweets in my early 20s, I rarely even have sugar in the house.

Sometime in my late 30s I started appreciating more nuanced flavors, including black coffee, but mostly vegetables like green beans, tomatoes, asparagus, peas, carrots. Once that happened, I started realizing how much food is blasted with so much salt that obliterates said flavors.

I assume it's mostly normal, as a kid I found my parents tastes bland...ew who could eat vegetables by themselves with no seasoning? Well, me now apparently...

empressplay•59m ago
Without any documentation of actual caffeine consumption this study is completely worthless.
micromacrofoot•29m ago
how could it be worthless when it inspired such a valuable comment
djaouen•58m ago
As someone formally diagnosed with one of these mental illnesses, I can confidently say that coffee triggers a beneficial reaction to my illness as well as to other health-adjoint mechanisms in my body. To me, drinking coffee is like breathing air or eating food, and to go without it means symptom flare-ups.
busymom0•50m ago
Is it the coffee or caffeine in coffee? Do you feel the same benefits if you have decaffeinated coffee? Can you replace it with just caffeine pills to get same effect?
djaouen•48m ago
I have not tried caffeine pills myself, but I have found caffeine in general to be slightly beneficial, but with coffee having the most pronounced effect on my symptoms.
temp0826•14m ago
Sounds more like dependence/addiction to me
ares623•56m ago
Lots of coffee related articles reaching the front page recently.
ekjhgkejhgk•50m ago
If I had severe mental illness I'd be immortal by now.
indubioprorubik•49m ago
There can only be one. Or two. Maybe three. Four shoots espresso a day.
dentemple•28m ago
I have ADHD, and I drink 2-3 cups' worth of coffee every day.

I'm basically a vampire now.

doubled112•25m ago
Yesterday I drank a whole pot myself then had another cup or two. Keeps me in the game.

Where does that put me? Caffeine poisoning or immortality with no in between?

lostlogin•6m ago
> Too much coffee reduced this positive effect
devilsdata•11m ago
I've been self-medicating ADHD with multiple cups of coffee a day since I was 17. I'm in my early 30s now, and after getting on Vyvanse, have reduced then given up coffee. I realised that coffee was the reason for my anxiety which builds up towards the end of the day.

I reduced my coffee down to 1 espresso per day two months ago, and quit entirely two weeks ago. I'm still on stimulants, but Vyvanse treats ADHD much better and has fewer side-effects.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt•50m ago
Due to caffiene or something else?
aetherspawn•43m ago
I think not the caffeine. The beneficial/healthy parts of coffee tend to be the coffee itself.
zafka•47m ago
I wonder if what seems like much higher margins in coffee allow for more articles like this. While I want what they are saying to be true, I wish I did not have to pay $15.00 for a 26 ounce can of coffee.
devilsdata•46m ago
Is it possible that this phenomenon is specific to people with those mental illnesses? A wider general population study resulted in the inverse effect:

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/6/1354

I only did a postgraduate degree, so I don't have the practice reading scientific studies to determine which is true. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in?

tootie•29m ago
No, it affects everybody. Says so in the article. The distinction appears to be that severe mental illness is associated with shortened lifespan so coffee has a more profound anti-aging affect on that population.
devilsdata•14m ago
Interesting. I wonder if that extends to any stimulant, or if it's something particular with caffeine and coffee.

With that said, the fact that the other study seemed to find the opposite conclusion concerns me.

foota•21m ago
Idk about the op study, but I could imagine confounders with instant coffee consumption.
devilsdata•15m ago
True, and it could also be what the person has with the coffee. I have a feeling people that drink instant coffee are more likely to add milk, creamer, or sugar.

That said, instant coffee is just freeze-dried coffee. There's a possibility its effect is no different.

shoo•5m ago
Separately from this study, here's an interesting opinion piece by John Ioannidis titled "The Challenge of Reforming Nutritional Epidemiologic Research", published in JAMA 2018:

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/20...

  > Assuming the meta-analyzed evidence from cohort
  > studies represents life span–long causal associations, for
  > a baseline life expectancy of 80 years, eating 12 hazelnuts
  > daily (1 oz) would prolong life by 12 years (ie, 1 year per
  > hazelnut), drinking 3 cups of coffee daily would achieve
  > a similar gain of 12 extra years, and eating a single man-
  > darin orange daily (80 g) would add 5 years of life. Con-
  > versely, consuming 1 egg daily would reduce life expec-
  > tancy by 6 years, and eating 2 slices of bacon (30 g) daily
  > would shorten life by a decade, an effect worse than
  > smoking. Could these results possibly be true?
via Andrew Gelman's blog: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/26/article-po...
NedF•12m ago
> within the NHS recommended limit

Over the NHS recommended limit is better than zero caffeine for everyone. If their limit is correct is in question

Whether "those with severe mental illness" get more benefit seems unlikely biologically. But like everyone coffee is good for you.

The only point of research like this, since we know coffee is good, is finding the mechanisms. But it's highly open to p-hacking/experimental error, which is how universities work now. You should default to this is citation farming.

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