But to the degree you can take a normal person and twist them into something horribly unfit for civil society, having them do torture is the way. It's the express lane to not seeing others as human, not even when they're in front of you, being tortured by you.
That won't happen. Lynndie England served 3 years and roams freely in the USA. The death penalty is wrong anyway.
> They aren't humans anymore
Congratulations. That is what the Nazis said about the Jews.
Human rights are indivisible. This is a cornerstone of western civilization.
What do you want to tell me? Of course torture is not a human right. That doesn't change a bit that human rights apply to everyone. Even to the torturer. Sure, we should put him/her in prison for a long time but never does even the torturer loose his/her humanity. That is exactly what distinguishes us from the nazis/fascists.
The argument that human rights are indivisible is contradicted by your statement right after as western civilization turns inwards on itself and begins removing human rights.
The article claims that the torture box ("confinement box") is the worst torture, but some 20 years ago we had the same with waterboarding. I see a repeat of older patterns here. I wonder what those who torture other people think.
the US is not a democracy.
Also, it is not a "repeat of old patterns" but continuation of things that have never been solved.
Since when? You probably think that it has been a democracy at some point. And I'm sure the US did use torture at the time you deemed it a democracy.
Hence I don't get your point.
The articles wants to make you think the box is a 3d confinement reminiscent of the drawing.
From the description it sounds like it is a 4 square foot cage that the person stands in while cuffed.
Yes it’s bad.
No, it’s not like the box mentioned at the CIA Black site.
> The four men interviewed by Amnesty International, as well as Florida-based organizations, told the organization about the ‘box’, described as a 2x2 foot cage-like structure located outside in the yard of “Alligator Alcatraz” where individuals are sent for punishment. Individuals are put in the ‘box’, their hands are shackled and their feet are attached to restraints on the ground. They are unable to sit down or move positions, and are forced to remain there for hours in the heat with hardly any water or protection from the sun, heat and insects. According to a man seeking safety, “People ended up in the ‘box’ just for asking the guards for anything. I saw a guy who was put in it for an entire day.”
> A "2x2 cage-like structure… [an] extremely small space that prevents sitting, lying or changing position" has dimensions startlingly reminiscent of those the Senate documented in the black sites. The major difference is that in Florida, the Small Box is exposed to the elements and constructed as a barred cage, whereas in Catseye, it was a closed structure inside the larger closed structure of the black site. And in Florida, the box is used as punishment. According to one of the Alligator Alcatraz survivors in the Amnesty report, people were put into the box simply for alerting the guards to someone's need for medication. "They were taken to 'the box' and punished for trying to help me," the person told Amnesty
Traubenfuchs•46m ago
4gotunameagain•39m ago
The free rein of the CIA and associated atrocities have been the same under every US president.
noja•33m ago
linschn•27m ago
- van buren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Cass
- Wilson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
- Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
And i must forget a lot of others, but I think you get the gist. "Great again" indeed.
acdha•17m ago
Obama’s greatest moral failing was not having war crimes trials. There is a direct line between the Bush-era embrace of torture abroad and the mistreatment we’re now seeing domestically.
1. War Crimes Act of 1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Crimes_Act_of_1996