On this project I was lucky enough to work with the Google AI Edge team who have deep expertise in edge deployments on device. Check out this app they built which loads in the Gemma 270m models and runs them on your phone.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.ai....
You also can finetune your own models and load them onto device with the sameworkflow. Scroll to the bottom to see the instructions and a screenshot example https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/mobile-actions
canyon289•2h ago
Happy to answer whatever technical questions I can!
xnx•2h ago
canyon289•1h ago
Personally speaking its really neat to see other people who take these models and run with them, creating things I could haven't have imagined. I'm hoping many others in the open community do the same in the coming weeks and the new year
carlcortright•2h ago
canyon289•1h ago
NitpickLawyer•1h ago
But on a serious note, I'm happy to see more research going into vSLMs (very small...) My "dream" scenario is to have the "agentic" stuff run locally, and call into the "big guns" as needed. Being able to finetune these small models on consumer cards is awesome, and can open up a lot of niche stuff for local / private use.
canyon289•1h ago
>My "dream" scenario is to have the "agentic" stuff run locally, and call into the "big guns" as needed.
FunctionGemma 270m is your starter pack for this, train your own functions to call out to whatever larger models you choose. It's been quite effective my testing, and the finetuning guides should show you how to add in your own capabilities.
Speaking from the research side its incredible how so many small models, not just Gemma, are achieving performance levels of must larger models from just a year or two ago. It's personally why I stay in this space.
xnx•1h ago
Whisper is old and resource intensive for the accuracy it provides.
canyon289•13m ago
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canyon289•47m ago
That being said if someone in the community wanted to use other encoders like siglip and plug them into Gemma270m to make it multimodal that'd be a great way to have fun over break and build up an AI Eegineer resume :)
zikani_03•59m ago
I hope those questions make sense
canyon289•34m ago
I think you mean taking the results of one function call and putting it into another? We saw some promise but didn't heavily train for this use case in the base model. The thing we noticed with the 270m sized models, and the performance expectations of AI models in 2025, is that these size models perform best for _specific users_ when finetuned to that specific use case.
What I suggest is mocking some data either by hand or using some automated tool and finetuning in this kind of use case and using the finetuning colab setup.
> is there a way to give the model ability to scope action for example if actions are related to permissions
Permissions depend on your system architecture more than the model. The model itself just takes in tokens and outputs tokens. Permissions are defined by your security/system setup in which the model itself is running.
vessenes•47m ago
In my mind we want a very smart layer frontier model orchestrating, but not slowing everything down by doing every little thing; this seems like the opposite - a very fast layer that can be like "wait a minute, I'm too dumb for this, need some help".
My question is - does the Gemma team use any evaluation around this particular 'call a (wiser) friend' strategy? How are you thinking about this? Is this architecture flow more an accommodation to the product goal - fast local inference - or do you guys think it could be optimal?
canyon289•29m ago
The way we think about it is what do we think developers and users need, and is there a way we can fill that gap in a useful way. With this model we had the hypothesis you had, there are fantastic larger models out there pushing the frontier of AI capabilities, but there's also a nice for smaller customizable model that's quick to run and quick to tune.
What is optimal then ultimately falls to you and your use cases (which I'm guessing at here), you have options now between Gemini and Gemma.
exacube•34m ago
i see the the dataset Google published in this notebook https://github.com/google-gemini/gemma-cookbook/blob/main/Fu... -- from looking at the dataset on huggingface, it looks synthetically generated.
1. do you recommend any particular mix or focus in the dataset for finetuning this model, without losing too much generality?
2. do you have any recommendations for how many examples per-tool?
thank you for your (and your teams) work!
canyon289•15m ago
Astute questions, there's sort of two ways to think about finetuning, 1. Obliterate any general functionality and train the model on your general commands 2. As you asked maintain generality trying to preserve initial model ability
For 2 typically low learning rate or LORA is a good strategy. We show an example in our the finetuning tutorial in the blog.
> 2. do you have any recommendations for how many examples per-tool? This depends on the tool complexity and the variety of user inputs. So a simple tool like turn_flashlight_on(), with no args, will get taught quickly, especially if say you're only prompting in English.
But if you have a more complex function like get_weather(lat, lon, day, region, date) and have prompts coming in in English, Chinese, Gujarati and spanish, the model needs to do a lot more "heavy lifting" to both translate a request and fill out a complex query. We know as programmers date by themselves are insanely complex in natural language (12/18/2025 vs 18/12/2025).
To get this right it'll help the model if it was trained on data that shows it the versions of variations of inputs possible.
Long answer but I hope this makes sense.
mrinterweb•6m ago
Might Gemini CLI offload some of its prompts to FunctionGemma?