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Start all of your commands with a comma (2009)

https://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2009/commands-with-comma/
254•theblazehen•2d ago•85 comments

Hoot: Scheme on WebAssembly

https://www.spritely.institute/hoot/
26•AlexeyBrin•1h ago•2 comments

OpenCiv3: Open-source, cross-platform reimagining of Civilization III

https://openciv3.org/
706•klaussilveira•15h ago•206 comments

The Waymo World Model

https://waymo.com/blog/2026/02/the-waymo-world-model-a-new-frontier-for-autonomous-driving-simula...
969•xnx•21h ago•558 comments

Vocal Guide – belt sing without killing yourself

https://jesperordrup.github.io/vocal-guide/
68•jesperordrup•6h ago•31 comments

Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback

https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.12501
7•onurkanbkrc•46m ago•0 comments

Making geo joins faster with H3 indexes

https://floedb.ai/blog/how-we-made-geo-joins-400-faster-with-h3-indexes
135•matheusalmeida•2d ago•35 comments

Where did all the starships go?

https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/science-fiction-decline
45•speckx•4d ago•35 comments

Unseen Footage of Atari Battlezone Arcade Cabinet Production

https://arcadeblogger.com/2026/02/02/unseen-footage-of-atari-battlezone-cabinet-production/
68•videotopia•4d ago•7 comments

Jeffrey Snover: "Welcome to the Room"

https://www.jsnover.com/blog/2026/02/01/welcome-to-the-room/
39•kaonwarb•3d ago•30 comments

ga68, the GNU Algol 68 Compiler – FOSDEM 2026 [video]

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/PEXRTN-ga68-intro/
13•matt_d•3d ago•2 comments

What Is Ruliology?

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2026/01/what-is-ruliology/
45•helloplanets•4d ago•46 comments

Show HN: Look Ma, No Linux: Shell, App Installer, Vi, Cc on ESP32-S3 / BreezyBox

https://github.com/valdanylchuk/breezydemo
239•isitcontent•16h ago•26 comments

Monty: A minimal, secure Python interpreter written in Rust for use by AI

https://github.com/pydantic/monty
237•dmpetrov•16h ago•126 comments

Show HN: I spent 4 years building a UI design tool with only the features I use

https://vecti.com
340•vecti•18h ago•147 comments

Hackers (1995) Animated Experience

https://hackers-1995.vercel.app/
506•todsacerdoti•23h ago•247 comments

Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Technical Info

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/
389•ostacke•21h ago•98 comments

Show HN: If you lose your memory, how to regain access to your computer?

https://eljojo.github.io/rememory/
303•eljojo•18h ago•188 comments

Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

https://github.com/microsoft/litebox
361•aktau•22h ago•186 comments

An Update on Heroku

https://www.heroku.com/blog/an-update-on-heroku/
428•lstoll•22h ago•284 comments

Cross-Region MSK Replication: K2K vs. MirrorMaker2

https://medium.com/lensesio/cross-region-msk-replication-a-comprehensive-performance-comparison-o...
3•andmarios•4d ago•1 comments

PC Floppy Copy Protection: Vault Prolok

https://martypc.blogspot.com/2024/09/pc-floppy-copy-protection-vault-prolok.html
71•kmm•5d ago•10 comments

Was Benoit Mandelbrot a hedgehog or a fox?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.01122
23•bikenaga•3d ago•11 comments

Dark Alley Mathematics

https://blog.szczepan.org/blog/three-points/
96•quibono•4d ago•22 comments

The AI boom is causing shortages everywhere else

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/07/ai-spending-economy-shortages/
26•1vuio0pswjnm7•2h ago•17 comments

How to effectively write quality code with AI

https://heidenstedt.org/posts/2026/how-to-effectively-write-quality-code-with-ai/
271•i5heu•18h ago•219 comments

Delimited Continuations vs. Lwt for Threads

https://mirageos.org/blog/delimcc-vs-lwt
34•romes•4d ago•3 comments

I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

https://kirkville.com/i-now-assume-that-all-ads-on-apple-news-are-scams/
1079•cdrnsf•1d ago•461 comments

Introducing the Developer Knowledge API and MCP Server

https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-the-developer-knowledge-api-and-mcp-server/
64•gfortaine•13h ago•30 comments

Understanding Neural Network, Visually

https://visualrambling.space/neural-network/
306•surprisetalk•3d ago•44 comments
Open in hackernews

Yanis Varoufakis on the future of capitalism [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_TMuVQPfxw
59•xqcgrek2•1mo ago

Comments

exabrial•1mo ago
Every time I argue against taxes on HN I'm told that my view is wrong and that if we try it just one more time it'll definitely work this time.
jcmfernandes•1mo ago
It worked in the past.
TheOtherHobbes•1mo ago
It didn't. Or rather it did, but not for the obvious reasons.

Taxes are not required for spending. Spending isn't required for spending, because ultimately government money is a proxy for power differentials and collective strategy.

Money defines which behaviours and which demographics are rewarded, and which are starved and punished. There are numbers and flow dynamics, but it's primarily a social credit system, not a substance.

Taxes are really a way to control the relative power of some groups over others - a form of regulation.

So when you have events like the New Deal and high taxes on the super rich, that means the economy is tuned towards diminishing power differentials, expanding infrastructure, and access to opportunity.

Low taxes on the super rich means expanding power differentials, more rigid hierarchy, diminishing collective infrastructure, and decreasing access to opportunity.

Likewise with provision of public services. If healthcare is cheap, guaranteed, and widely distributed, that increases individual agency and diminishes hierarchy.

If it's expensive and rationed by/for corporate monopolies, it increases hierarchy and diminishes agency.

jjice•1mo ago
What is your view on taxes?
thephyber•1mo ago
Which country doesn’t tax their companies or people? Whether it be tariffs, income taxes, sales taxes, VAT, property taxes, minerals taxes, etc., all countries tax.

Taxes are a necessary evil for society and order. The USA tried to have zero ability to tax the states/people and that only lasted about 10 years before that national government failed and they tried another constitution with more national government powers.

You aren’t arguing “against taxes”, you just have a different opinion on the taxation regime and the coefficients. The sooner you recognize that, the faster your discussions with other humans might actually yield productive results.

spwa4•1mo ago
The UAE.

(which is why many of EU's rich are domiciled there, which also means they're not counted in the EU's GINI coefficient. Almost no US citizens do the same, because of how the tax system works)

secretsatan•1mo ago
That’s your model country?
ares623•1mo ago
Hard to take you seriously unless the EU rich domiciled there, stayed there permanently, and didn't get the benefits of their home EU countries, benefits that come from taxes they do not pay into.
spwa4•1mo ago
Wait, what? This is about company executives and high-paid consultants who essentially stayed in Dubai just enough to be tax-domiciled there. Or even just their companies with just a mailbox at a lawyer office in Dubai.

No, the EU rich very much physically stayed inside the EU, fully enjoying the benefits of those countries without paying tax.

Doesn't work for US citizens because global income is taxed in the US.

landosaari•1mo ago
The UAE has a CT (corporate tax) of 9% since 2023 [0, page 8]

This provides an overview [1]

For 2026 "The UAE's tax system is getting stricter. Not in rates. In enforcement." [2]

[0] https://mof.gov.ae/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Federal-Decree...

[1] https://mof.gov.ae/en/public-finance/tax/corporate-tax/

[2] https://www.kayrouzandassociates.com/insights/uae-tax-change...

lokar•1mo ago
How would at tax on HN even work? Does it have revenue?
whatever1•1mo ago
Apart from the market (obviously), the companies also enjoy infrastructure, resources (mostly finite) and they also produce byproducts that the society has to deal with (pollution, addiction of population etc).

So who pays for these? What you are suggesting is government subsidies of companies. This sounds like communism to me.

machinationu•1mo ago
do you have your own private army to protect you in a taxless world?
LaurensBER•1mo ago
America has a hugely succesful tech sector and low taxes and minimal regulations.

Europe has a weak tech sector and relatively high taxes and high regulations.

As an European I have to say, perhaps the American approach is better.

But he, feel free to tax that tech sector into oblivion. If Europe ever gets it's shit together, we would love to take over the crown.

Apreche•1mo ago
Who cares how well the businesses do? Only the wealthy in the US benefit from that. I’ll gladly swap and go to Europe where I don’t have to worry about falling into medical debt if I am unlucky.
badgersnake•1mo ago
Europe is increasingly heading in this direction too, at least it is here in the UK. The lobbiests and their stooge populists are increasingly in charge here too.
Gigachad•1mo ago
I wonder if the average person in America is feeling the benefits of a huge tech sector.
thephyber•1mo ago
As someone who lives in the heart of Silicon Valley, there are HUGE downsides to letting industry write their own tax law / loopholes and playing one jurisdiction against the other for special tax incentives.

The local governments in this area are mostly starved of funds, despite having the world’s largest companies who pay their executives and rare talent among the highest compensation in the world.

The big tech companies can afford to hire private security with staff larger than the local police departments.

And they NEED that security to keep the homeless people in tents and broke down RVs from parking on their property.

The homeless and jobless end up breaking into the houses of everyone who can’t afford private security. If they don’t become thieves or druggies, then they are a broken husk of a person.

When companies don’t like the neighborhood, they pick up and move to the next hot city and the cycle repeats there.

This isn’t the fault of big tech alone, but don’t pretend like the US has figured out how to balance society and taxation.

mrkstu•1mo ago
The last thing CA or SF are is starved of revenue.

Lack of effective utilization of said revenue is by far the issue here, as can be seen by looking at peer states/cities/countries spending analogous amounts of money.

camillomiller•1mo ago
Yet you can still have a very decent middle class educated person existence with no anxiety of debt or illness. If you think you can just go to the us and be in the 1% by all means do and be happy (at the expense of the majority of others). Otherwise stay, and enjoy social democracy’s unsung success in guaranteeing stable live to hundreds of millions by making it hard to get to the capitalistic excesses of the us.
spwa4•1mo ago
What? The EU has super-rich, especially if you compare to the average incomes of the country rather than to the global top.

And yes, because of the tax situation these people are often not resident in the EU. London, Paris and Geneva have small neighborhoods of oil sheik families, for example. Brussels has entire neighborhoods effectively only accessible to EU appointees. Amsterdam ... and so on and so forth.

camillomiller•1mo ago
I didn’t say we didn’t have inequality or super rich people or that we’re perfect. Yet we don’t have Musk, the Koch Brothers, Larry Ellison and swarms of fentanyl addicts folded in half in the street a few miles away from their residences.
spwa4•1mo ago
No? Go to Paris. Start at the Notre Dame. Go North. As soon as you get off the island the first thing you'll find is the absurd-super-rich quarter. That's a little over 1.5 kilometers. Unlimited pretty fancy restaurants on the ground floor. I mean, it's gone downhill in the last 10 years, but they're all still ridiculously fancy. A great many luxury hotels, and apartments costing more in monthly rent than the president's wage on every other floor. He lives nearby, and apparently multiple ex-presidents live there. Keep going North.

You'll get to the 19th arrondissement just after passing Lafayette. Go look "under the canal" (will make sense when you get there, it's really under a bridge)

I don't believe they're fentanyl addicts, no shortage of addicts though. The main bulk are refugees (from Afghanistan, Syria, Africa, ...), most of the addicts are French, the dealers are immigrants.

And then there's the very large "are they addicts?" group. You see, it gets cold there. You know what really increases your comfort level if you have to live in the cold? Alcohol. And they definitely consume alcohol at a rate that a doctor would call addicted, but they're not really addicted. Or, if they had proper shelter they wouldn't be. Of course, alcohol really increases your comfort and increased the odds you'll freeze to death, so there's a daily round ...

This is what it looks like:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/12/17/in-paris...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix1T0-nV8EA

(you can't really tell, but the whole camp is almost 1 kilometer long. Oh and this is one of 7 such places in the city center alone. In other words, you can start at the Notre Dame and go in basically any direction and there'll be a place like this. And the richest areas of France are right next to Notre Dame)

(btw: I've been to San Francisco too and the homeless camps in Paris are way bigger and worse than the ones in San Francisco. Way worse. Of course, I could easily have missed stuff. Oh, and obviously, while it's not impossible to freeze to death in San Francisco, I doubt it's common)

Don't worry, authorities are doing their very best to send these people away. Occasionally they succeed for a week or two, but never for very long. Half the time they essentially encourage them to go to the UK.

And this doesn't even remotely compare to the "Calais Jungle", I mean that particular camp is gone, but there's plenty new ones.

JCattheATM•1mo ago
> As an European I have to say, perhaps the American approach is better.

It's not better, it's just more attractive. The EU isn't the only country with regulations, every single other western country does, every single other first world country does.

The US allows greed to flourish at the expensive of it's people. That might be better for the people developing the tech, but it isn't better for society in the longrun.

spwa4•1mo ago
> The US allows greed to flourish at the expensive of it's people. That might be better for the people developing the tech, but it isn't better for society in the longrun.

Are you finding the EU to be even remotely greed-free?

Eddy_Viscosity2•1mo ago
The comment does not say that EU does not have greed, rather that it recognizes this basic human tendency and puts up regulations to mitigate it where it can. The US on the other hand just lets it run rampant.
JCattheATM•1mo ago
Exactly.
add-sub-mul-div•1mo ago
Consider that "successful" has evolved from innovating products that make our lives better to a strong focus on ad tech, surveillance, social media, and slop.
pzo•1mo ago
remember EU had Nokia and Skype and that was before overregulation. What happenned? Both got sold out because EU doesn't have money printer and petrodollar. EU cannot compete even if it would reduce taxes and decrease regulation because they cannot protect their best tech companies from being bought by dozen of billions of printed papers. Most even such companies are on US stock exchange because that's another different money printer.
kvemkon•1mo ago
And Qimonda (Infineon/Siemens) - DRAM manufacturer. They could have prioritized EU for supply.
JCattheATM•1mo ago
The people that blame capitalism are often wrong...they attribute to capitalism what is actually the fault of a lack of regulation. Capitalism has a ton of advantages that a socialist system would not have, the negatives are easy enough to deal with but while the rich rule the world, there is little interest.

Wealth and income limits for individuals and companies are a start. No one needs to be a billionaire, and they sure as hell didn't earn it.

badgersnake•1mo ago
> easy enough to deal with but while the rich rule the world, there is little interest.

Then it’s not easy enough to deal with is it? And capitalism seems to have created this situation so you could are the that this is inherent in the system.

JCattheATM•1mo ago
> Then it’s not easy enough to deal with is it?

I mean, the solutions are easy, getting people to vote for them is a problem, although a problem more specific to the US.

> And capitalism seems to have created this situation so you could are the that this is inherent in the system.

I wouldn't say that, given most countries capitalist systems were able to deal with or avoid that situation altogether. Rather than this problem being inherent to capitalism, it seems it is the result of specific events that unfolded in the US. Really, it can all be traced back to Reagan.

ggoo•1mo ago
Just a thought but you could probably argue that the US is the largest and most advanced of the capitalist systems in the world, and that makes it somewhat of a bellwether for the future of other capitalist countries.
JCattheATM•1mo ago
I think the US is rather unique from other capitalist countries in having such a large portion of its population being so poorly educated. This simply isn't the case in EU or Commonwealth countries - in the US its led people to vote against their own interests, allowing companies to lobby for things that benefit the companies and hurt people, in an ever increasing trend. I don't think it's to do with the size of the country, but the education level of the population.
ancillary•1mo ago
Hm, this doesn't seemed to be backed up by, say, PISA scores [1], by which the US looks very similar to its OECD peers.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...

JCattheATM•1mo ago
Looking at the wiki page, PISA seems to have some criticisms, one being it seems very gameable. I'm not really familiar with it.

It might be interesting to try and find some more objective support of my claim, and I'll try and post anything worth posting, but anecdotally...the difference between the US and other developed countries is night and day. It's so incredibly easy to run into people in the US who genuinely astoundingly lack the basic knowledge that in other countries it is taken for granted that adults hold.

There's a reason other countries talk shows don't have segments like asking random pedestrians to name any country, literally any country on a world map, so they can laugh when they fail.

SiempreViernes•1mo ago
I really wonder how you define "capitalism" such a that the capital owners aren't one of the most important actors.
JCattheATM•1mo ago
I'm not really sure how you've interpreted my comment - can you expand on your point, please?
lanfeust6•1mo ago
Even wealth taxes are ineffectual and have been tried, but wealth limits is pants-on-head stupid. If you want to redistribute wealth, you need to generate it first. If wealth were zero sum we'd still be fighting in caves over sticks. This is the most anti-liberal and anti-prosperity idea next to "degrowth".

Inequality is mostly a red herring and not a core issue in and of itself. Public spending as % of GDP has only really been going up for over a century, and we expect UBI and the like to be in our future. Meanwhile we're already seeing what those excesses can lead to in France if we're not careful.

kace91•1mo ago
>Inequality is mostly a red herring and not a core issue in and of itself.

The problem is not inequality itself, is that an entity that grows without a ceiling will eventually reach a size such that rules can’t be enforced on it. From that point on, laws are wet paper.

lanfeust6•1mo ago
Anti-trust laws exist for a reason. Mitigating monopoly is key and already accounted for. There's no reason to believe corporations can inevitably grow themselves into that position, and as history shows, no one can predict which ones will be the most valuable (let alone valuable) in the future.

As for individuals, dynasty dissipates and breaks up in wealth. A rich person doesn't live forever, and seldom do competing offspring manage to generate as much. Their pile shrinks as they spend it away.

Notwithstanding that, name a dollar figure above Bezos' wealth at which suddenly he can operate outside the law. We can already see what concentrated power looks like; it is entrenched and intertwined with government, not operating outside its bounds. See: Xi Ping, Putin and others. Power often comes with wealth, but wealth in itself doesn't lead to that level of power, at least in the Liberal world.

kace91•1mo ago
>Notwithstanding that, name a dollar figure above Bezos' wealth at which suddenly he can operate outside the law.

Above? He already does. He does not need to break the law in a literal sense: he can have teams of lawyers exploiting their way into not paying taxes faster than the state can patch the laws, avoid antitrust through lobbying, he owns a newspaper to influence public opinion and elections if needed…

>wealth in itself doesn't lead to that level of power, at least in the Liberal world.

How many presidential pardons have been bought so far in the US this term?

lanfeust6•1mo ago
> he can have teams of lawyers exploiting their way into not paying taxes faster than the state can patch the laws

This is unsubstantiated.

> avoid antitrust through lobbying

Lobbying does not guarantee any result, it is literally just asking the government for something you want. And, why does Amazon need to be subject to anti-trust? By far their most profitable product is AWS, and it has a ton of competitors.

> How many presidential pardons have been bought so far in the US this term?

This says a lot about Trump, but pardons? That's it?

kace91•1mo ago
>This is unsubstantiated.

It is substantiated enough to have its own article on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_tax_avoidance

>This says a lot about Trump, but pardons? That's it?

Do we really need an enumeration of cases where corporations and the rich and are intertwined with political power in the west?

If political pardons are too tame, or trump is considered an anomaly, we can just point in the general direction of Iraq.

lanfeust6•1mo ago
You previously implied that AMZ would find new, novel ways to skirt taxes through sheer lobbying, while your source just seems to plainly show that online sales taxes are now implemented. Lobbying does not make companies impervious to paying taxes.

> Do we really need an enumeration of cases where corporations and the rich and are intertwined with political power in the west?

Not a level of power that allows them to completely operate outside the law.

kace91•1mo ago
> they attribute to capitalism what is actually the fault of a lack of regulation

Regulation works in a theoretical world where the rules of the game are set by an outsider entity, which is powerful enough to enforce said rules and yet completely separate from economic power.

In real life, players affect the rules: lobbying, marketing, media ownership, cronyism…

netsharc•1mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz1UqXySpvY&t=2214s

Context: the speaker Lea Ypi is a professor of political philosophy. She grew up in socialist Albania, and here she's talking about how during her studies of political philosophy in Rome, her Western "socialist" classmates had a fantasy about socialism, and didn't want to hear about her experience growing up in socialism/about the socialist countries that have failed.

I have a feeling you're doing the same, just with a different -ism.

8bitsrule•1mo ago
Not sure what 'blaming capitalism' has to do with the content of the video in the link we're supposedly discussing. (Advantages ... for whom?) It's speaker says that our situation is post-capitalist, and that we're in a feudalist economy now.
SanjayMehta•1mo ago
When you add regulations to capitalism you will, in due course, get socialism.
lanfeust6•1mo ago
This is just plain old Liberalism, a mixed-market economy. Socialism can mean two different things: a) when the govt spends and does literally anything, b) eliminating Capitalism, by way of having everything controlled by the "public" (really, the State, as even ancoms will just reinvent government by another name).

There's often some bait-and-switch semantic games employed to sell people on the latter.

JCattheATM•1mo ago
Not so long as private people can control capital, you don't.
bicepjai•1mo ago
If capitalism itself is the reason for not being able to pass good regulation, then what would you call that ? We are living in a world where corporations are people and it’s ok to lobby
JCattheATM•1mo ago
>If capitalism itself is the reason for not being able to pass good regulation, then what would you call that ?

A lack of regulation.

> We are living in a world where corporations are people and it’s ok to lobby

Corporate personhood is not the same thing as "corporations are people". Lobbying wouldn't inherently be an issue with an education and caring voting population.

bicepjai•1mo ago
> Corporate personhood is not the same thing as "corporations are people". Call it "corporate personhood" if you want, the practical effect I am talking about is corporations being protected as speakers in elections. > Lobbying wouldn't inherently be an issue with an education and caring voting population. So yes, education helps, but “just have better voters” doesn’t remove the structural advantage of concentrated money and full-time influence operations (lobbying).
logicprog•1mo ago
I don't disagree with Varoufakis necessarily on his technofeudalism hypothesis, but he makes several claims in this video that are just ~completely false~ misleading and poorly cited, as far as I can tell, and that annoys me, so I'm just going to do my best to respond to them here as a sort of vent LOL.

1. He claims that Google and Facebook and the like only spend 1% of their revenue paying their employees and that therefore any money that goes to them sort of stays out of the circular economy. As far as I can tell, there are absolutely no sources to back this up available online. Not from Google's official reporting, and not even from him: he himself just states the number, but doesn't explain how or where he got it from. In my search I haven't found a case where he cites it, either. ~All I can really find is that Google's operating expenses are around $261 billion as of this year[1], and their revenue was $385[2] — and since operating expenses are usually at least substantially payroll, it's hard to tell.~ Edit: At least two commenters below did a quick back of the napkin calculation, multiplying the median salary of a Google employee by the number of Google employees to get something like 36 billion, which is about 10% of the companies overall revenue. So maybe that's what he meant. But it would have been good for him to actually — first of all — not get the number an order of magnitude off, and second of all, to actually explain how he got that number!

2. Then he brings up the idea that someone's Tesla was remotely deactivated. This was debunked[3]. Edit: Another commenter pointed out that maybe he meant this story where full self-driving got remotely disabled on a car that was bought secondhand[7]. This does match better the part where he mentioned that the car was sold secondhand before it got deactivated. So there's that. But again, it would have been good if he had actually gotten his facts straight.

3. He brings up this idea that Teslas sell your user data Amazon. This is, at least, roundly contradicted by their legally binding privacy policy, and even according to the Mozilla Foundation there's no evidence of Tesla ever selling driver data to a third party[4] (although they've been very, shall we say, uncareful about it in at least two instances, but those don't resemble anything like what he's claiming). One random user on a Tesla owners' forum got freaked out because they saw the car sending data to "Amazon", but when they checked on the IP addresses, it became clear it was using just sending information to AWS servers, which are almost certainly run and owned by Tesla, not Amazon[5], which is what a technically savvy person would assume to begin with anyway.

4. He argues that Volkswagen electric cars can't compete with Teslas because Volkswagen cars "don't have access to cloud capital", which he says gives Tesla an advantage because they do, based on point 3. But given that there's absolutely no evidence of that anywhere, I feel like his entire argument crumbles, because it becomes very unclear how Tesla is benefiting from cloud capital in a way Volkswagen it is not. *Especially* since according to the Mozilla Foundation, Volkswagen not only gathers much more data about you, but actually actively sells it to third parties for advertising purposes, which they openly admit[6].

[1]: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/ope... [2]: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/reve... [3]: https://www.theverge.com/tesla/757594/tesla-cybertruck-deact... [4]: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/tesl... [5]: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/uploaded-data-to-ama... [6]: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/volk...

"What does VW say they can do with this vast treasure trove of personal information, car data, and inferences they collect on you? Well, they use it to make more money, of course. Because selling cars isn't a big enough business these days, now, your personal information is another gold mine for all car companies to tap into. And tap into it they do. VW says they can use it for their own personalized and targeted advertising purposes or those or their affiliates, business partners, or other third parties. They can share it with third parties who can use it for the commercial purpose of marketing their products and services to you. They also say they can use or disclose your de-identified data for "any purpose." "

[7]: https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-fe...

pzo•1mo ago
> All I can really find is that Google's operating expenses are around $261 billion as of this year[1], and their revenue was $385[2] — and since operating expenses are usually at least substantially payroll, it's hard to tell

It's unlikely that this is mostly for payroll. From AI I got:

"median total compensation per employee was approximately $279,802 in 2022, and with 183,323 employees at the end of 2024, total estimated compensation (salary + equity + benefits) likely exceeds $50 billion, or ~14–15% of total revenue"

So maybe it's not 1% as in Varoufakis talk but even if it's 15% of revenue that's also quite low. Also keep in mind in this AI reponse it includes equity (stocks) so that in this way employee is becoming investor/shareholder.

logicprog•1mo ago
Fair enough! I was wary of doing the calculation that way for reasons that seem retroactively pretty dumb, so I'll take the L on that one.
machinationu•1mo ago
Google has 180k employees, let's assume 200k average salary, that's 36 bil, 10% of the revenue you posted.
stavros•1mo ago
Regarding the Tesla disabling, maybe he means the fact that Tesla remotely disabled FSD when someone sold their car. I thought I remembered Tesla disabling the vehicle completely, and I distinctly remember aspects of the story (the vehicle wouldn't do more than some low mph and said to pull over), but I can't find any reference to that story now.
logicprog•1mo ago
Ah, okay. Idk how I would've found that based just on what he said. Found the story you're talking about for future reference: https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-fe...
stavros•1mo ago
This is the autopilot one, I thought I saw one about disabling the entire bebjicke vehicle, but I can't find a trace of it.
lanfeust6•1mo ago
He's made a slew of false claims before I turned off the video. Among which is the idea that companies like Facebook are merely valuable because of the "labor we provide". In fact, they make money through advertising and sharing data with advertisers. If socializing was all there was to value, these companies would be redundant. The service provided is content-delivery in various forms, that isn't free and it isn't something "anyone from the CS dept" would do as well.

To call it "labor" to share boomer-humor memes and use Marketplace (i.e. users doing what they want on FB) is stretching the term. As with youtube, the prolific creators on instagram and the like also make piles of money. Yet it's being framed as though they're putting all this effort for the company's benefit only.

logicprog•1mo ago
Agreed. But I figured that slippery equivocation was obvious: the value provided by the big cloud platforms is an insane amount of engineering and system administration work to provide a reliable and large scale way for people to connect and share data, that's why we all go there, as well as, as you say, advertisements. The idea that any random CS department could replicate the Amazon Marketplace or AWS, or Facebook's infrastructure, is absurd.
frm88•1mo ago
Tesla: Data sharing with 3rd parties is a fact they themselves advertise: https://theoffroading.com/does-tesla-sell-driving-data/ Are they being paid for it or is one of the companies amazon? I couldn't find that information, but frankly: if the tech is in place and used, why wouldn't they? GM does so with insurance companies: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driv...

Tesla does have the ability to remotely disable your car: https://theoffroading.com/can-tesla-shut-down-your-car-remot... Again: the tech is there and as we already experienced with John Deer machinery will be used when called upon https://doctorow.medium.com/about-those-kill-switched-ukrain...

logicprog•1mo ago
Those offroading.com links you shared don't actually cite any sources at all, and I know nothing about that source and it doesn't look that reputable to me.

The first link contradicts the cited, and much more trustworthy, analysis from the Mozilla Foundation:

"Here's the good news with Tesla when it comes to privacy -- they very clearly state in their privacy documentation that they don't sell or rent your personal information to third parties ... Tesla makes other promises in their privacy that sound quite good. They say they won't share your personal information with third parties for their own use unless you opt-in (don't opt-in!). They say they don't "associate the vehicle data generated by your driving with your identity or account by default.""

For the second, there's no reliable (not obviously AI generated slop) evidence I've been able to find outside of offroading.com, at all, that there's any remote shutdown feature in Teslas, user accessible or no. They have PIN to drive, Sentry mode, etc, and they can remotely limit the speed to 50mph, but afaict, there's no remote disable feature.

As you say, this is something they have he technical capability to implement, but (1) it would have to be a brand new feature they add, they don't have it yet and haven't done it, and (2) at that point basically any car company from Volkswagen to Toyota could equally also do it, since all modern cars are internet connected and controlled by computers now. So this introduced a parity that completely undercuts this guy's point about Tesla's being uniquely bad

frm88•1mo ago
Tesla is not uniquely bad - however, it is one of 5 companies that actually already maintains a kill-switch functionality: https://daxstreet.com/list/275984/5-cars-with-factory-kill-s.... The other 4 are BMW, GM, Ford and Chrysler. The tech is there and ready and can be used.

As for selling data: have look at this table from Mozilla Org, particularly the table where they list the worst offenders re. privacy: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti...

logicprog•1mo ago
> As for selling data: have look at this table from Mozilla Org, particularly the table where they list the worst offenders re. privacy: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti...

That doesn't contradict what I was saying, really. They can do all the things the table checkmarks them as doing and it doesn't mean they're selling data to any third parties. It just says they collect a lot of data, use it, have a bad track record with employees accidentally leaking parts of it, and so on.

My whole overall point is that this guy is making specific claims that are either outright false (e.g. the reason Tesla is doing better than VW EVs is that they make money off selling user data as a sideline, and in general bolster their business with cloud capital) or misleading / not correct in the way he needs them to be true.

> Tesla is not uniquely bad - however, it is one of 5 companies that actually already maintains a kill-switch functionality: https://daxstreet.com/list/275984/5-cars-with-factory-kill-s.... The other 4 are BMW, GM, Ford and Chrysler. The tech is there and ready and can be used.

This article is formatted in a way that makes me strongly thing it is AI generated, but more problematically (since that's an imperfect indicator), when it makes claims like "[Tesla has] disabled vehicles used in crimes" or "The system includes redundant communication methods and can execute complex shutdown procedures that safely manage the vehicle’s transition from operation to immobilization.

Unlike simpler kill switches that merely cut ignition, Tesla’s system can coordinate with the vehicle’s autonomous driving features, regenerative braking, and battery management systems to ensure safe shutdown," it just says these things — it doesn't actually link to any news articles, primary sources, anything to substantiate them, and when I look them up, I don't find anything, as I said. So it seems to me as if you've found just another uncited tertiary resource saying the same things, but no meaningful evidence.