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Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4110681/foreign-tech-workers-are-avoiding-travel-to-the-us.html
70•CrankyBear•2h ago

Comments

Havoc•2h ago
It’s an inevitable outcome of the hostile and unpredictable enforcement of rules that can change whenever trump has a bad day
LightBug1•2h ago
Shhhh ... when your competition is kicking themselves upside their own ass ... keep quiet and carry on.
onebigtime•1h ago
And there it is. You admit America is your competition. That is why we don't want you here exploiting us.
LightBug1•1h ago
I'm curious about how the culture is changing over there.

Your comment, from the apparent heart and home of free competition and capitalist zeal, crying about competition?

Are you really American? Not being bad here - genuine question.

kontopi•1h ago
Just go back to posting your Tesla hate. You have nothing of value to contribute. Most importantly stay out of America.
Herring•1h ago
It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity.

As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

hollerith•1h ago
Huh? The US South is wealthier than any country on earth that is not a tax haven excepting only the US as a whole and perhaps Norway with its oil wealth. (The US South was considerably poorer than the rest of the US, but the advent of air conditioning about 75 years ago eventually ended that.)

I'm going to guess that it also has more college graduates per capita than any country except the US as a whole.

Also, US states and US regions have almost no control over how diverse they are: the Federal government decides who to let into the country, then those people are free to chose which state to live in regardless of how much the residents of a state dislike immigrants.

galleywest200•1h ago
Compared to New York City, an extremely diverse place?
quietsegfault•1h ago
You don’t compare a US region to sovereign countries that don’t share federal transfers, monetary policy, or capital markets. The correct comparison might be the South vs other US regions. In that comparison the South has persistently lower incomes, higher poverty, worse health outcomes, and weaker mobility. And while immigration is federal, states clearly influence who stays through jobs, education, civil rights enforcement, and political climate.
hollerith•1h ago
The Federal government has famously been involved in how well states enforce civil rights starting in the 1950s.

Also, the Southern US can't be doing that badly at guarding civil rights if a non-white immigrant can write,

>As a brown guy I'd prefer my odds in the reddest county in Mississippi than anywhere in Asia (other than my own ethnostate).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31227980

kevin_thibedeau•1h ago
> US states and US regions have almost no control over how diverse they are

I have an expanding blacklist of states I won't live in because of their broken policies. If you don't support freedom and liberty, you're not a welcome place for civic-minded Americans who can think past their nose. The states very much can control their appeal to outsiders but the demagogues that get elected don't care. There is a collective mind disease that has infected governance since the Gingrich era.

This leads to a self-sorting effect where people who have the means to leave go elsewhere. I grew up in Arkansas and not speaking as an ignorant outsider. I have no interest in living there because of the broad cultural problems and lack of work opportunity.

HAL3000•1h ago
I think your entire analysis is based more on a hunch than on data. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_...

US is 9th, so the south alone would rank even lower.

analog31•1h ago
A continual point of debate is whether the front-page economic indicators tell the whole story about the welfare of the population. The US lags behind many countries in areas such as life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, health care, suicide, motor vehicle deaths, violent crime, and so forth. We have lots of money, but our money doesn't seem to buy us as much quality of life. I say these things, though I'm doing OK money wise and have an otherwise decent lifestyle.

The disparity between the big indicators and the lives of the people is in fact a source of political contention. In 2024, people were angry in a "growing" economy that seemed to have gotten inflation and unemployment under control.

atmavatar•3m ago
Is that before or after accounting for all the federal money it receives? The red states are the welfare queens of the union, with nearly all of them taking in more federal money than they return in tax revenue.
hollywood_court•1h ago
The South is a bit of a lost cause. I was born and raised in Alabama. I spent many years out of the country and also living elsewhere in the US. But I've been back in Alabama since October 2010.

These people here love to shoot themselves in the foot.

I always say that Sherman should have never stopped. He should have burnt everything to the ground.

trgn•1h ago
> They have been poor for generations

that will be news to a lot of people in the south.

dyauspitr•1h ago
Stats > anecdotes
kontopi•39m ago
Both Space X and Tesla are headquartered in Texas. Most of the people in these comments hating on America come from countries that can't make their own cars or install working bathrooms.
sonotathrowaway•1h ago
One of the implications of having the worst education in the nation is that a lot of facts would surprise them.
stuffn•1h ago
> exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting

Username relevant. Because the party whose entire platform is

1. Limitless refugee migration

2. Open borders

3. Loose drug policies

4. Defunding the police

5. War-hawking (but it's cool when they do it)

6. Technocrat and celebrity rule

7. Hormones for children

8. "Trust the science"

9. Wrongthink and censorship of opposition views

Is truly the bulwark of diverse viewpoints and critical thinking we should all aspire to be. :thumbsup:

The reason the entire planet has shifted right is because the progressives have jumped the shark and forgotten what people actually care about. Maybe if they used some of that diverse viewpoint and critical thinking skill they'd realize it.

If 1B dollars can't convince 350+ million Americans your viewpoints are right... well I guess just blame "the south". The absolute fart huffing snobbery of the left is obnoxious.

bryanlarsen•1h ago
None of the above is in https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTE...
therobots927•1h ago
Welcome to the US. Please hand over your phone and social media logins so we can screen you for wrongthink. If you break an obscure law ICE may or may not disappear you to a black site. Enjoy your stay.
SilentM68•1h ago
I'm not a fan of the way AI is developing, especially the threat it poses to jobs, but it has a way of finding, otherwise hard to locate, facts on the NET:

US manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979 at ~19.6 million jobs. It never "stopped" — output has grown — but jobs declined steadily afterward.

Main causes of job losses (especially sharp drop 2000–2010):

* Globalization and offshoring by US multinationals (key driver) * China's WTO entry (2001) + PNTR (2000), accelerating imports * Automation/productivity gains Trade deficits and competition from low-cost countries (Asia, Mexico)

Who contributed:

* US corporations/multinationals seeking lower costs * US government policies (trade agreements, PNTR with China) * Economic forces (globalization, container shipping, currency issues)

It seems to me that big money, greed, and self-intrest, are ultimately to blame for any lack of employment in the US, for natives and foreign workers. Blaming the one politician that is trying to restore this country's economic power and ability to support its citizens is short-sighted, childish and really messed up because for the longest times, foreign tech workers have been the preferred go to employee for most of not all of the company's responsible for this mess.

deflator•1h ago
A politician that says he wants to restore the country's economic power but has only harmed it further with his actions is worse than one who isn't even pretending to be on the side of the non-rich. President Trump is the product of the greed, big money, and self interest that enabled all of these policy and wealth shifts. This seems to be obvious to everyone except right-leaning people in the US.
SilentM68•48m ago
Interesting that you blame Trump for this especially since facts speak for themselves.

US manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979 under "President Jimmy Carter (D)."

Key World leaders during major events:

1979 peak → *US: Jimmy Carter. *China: Deng Xiaoping (paramount leader).

China's WTO entry (2001) + PNTR (2000) → *US: Bill Clinton (D) signed PNTR into law (October 2000). *China: Jiang Zemin (CCP General Secretary).

Decline accelerated post-2000 due to globalization, offshoring by US corporations, and policies under multiple administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.).

Job losses stem from corporate cost-cutting and systemic economic forces, not one politician. If you're going to blame a politician, then at least list the ones that contributed to the chaos not the ones you don't like because it's affecting you personally.

On a side note, I am one of those natives that has not been able to find a stable job, for the past 30+ years until Trump came in, but then lost it after Job Biden arrived. This is how life has been here in the US, at least for me, after graduating high school. I for one, I'm glad someone is doing something about this mess :)

sirmike_•1h ago
LMAO of course the author would have a hyphen in his last name to write such loaded and editorialized garbage. Real horseshit from Steven Vaughan-Nichols. This fucking hack has no true real world tech experience.

"Even foreign workers already in the US are having second thoughts about living in a country that’s officially hostile to anyone who’s not of European descent. A recent report from Specialist Staffing Group found that 32% of US-based STEM pros said they were open to relocation. That’s bad news for US companies, which are already seeing projects delayed or disrupted.

Major tech firms, including Amazon, Microsoft, and Google, have reportedly urged overseas staff to return to the US quickly while simultaneously warning them to limit dependents’ travel. At the same time, all these top tech companies, and many more, have been laying people off. Even if you can trace your ancestry back to the Mayflower, we’re living in a time of tech job insecurity."

kevinh•1h ago
What's wrong with having a hyphen in your name?
yongjik•1h ago
Trump emboldened a lot of racists. You don't need to make any logical sense, just show off your true racist inner self to the world. I guess having a hyphen in your name is woke now.
hollywood_court•1h ago
I stopped at the ad hominem and didn't read the rest of your comment.
physicsguy•1h ago
I work for a US based company from the UK. I'd be quite reluctant mostly for the hassle factor - international travel is a pain, now I have a family I don't want anything other than a super easy trip when travelling for work, I don't usually have to travel, so if it's going to be a nightmare I'd rather not go. I've heard of colleagues having to take burner phones to China and stuff in the past and noped out of that, and it feels like it's not far off that for the US these days, so while I quite like the US in general it does put me off enormously.

On another note, we're having our next international team get together in Canada rather than SF. Make of that what you will.

onebigtime•1h ago
The amount of unnecessary travel these large corporations do is insane. All of it subsidized by taxpayers as well just to pollute and destroy the environment for imaginary profits that inflate away within 5 years.
kontopi•45m ago
All these people shitting on America in the comments are quite offended that we don't want them here.
nightshift1•1h ago
Browsing r/illinois and r/EyesOnIce for a few minutes will cure anyone from ever wanting to step foot in the US.
onebigtime•1h ago
Mission Accomplished.
mindslight•23m ago
Yes missions accomplished, indeed. I am sure there are some good promotions being had by the Chinese and Russian intelligence operatives who successfully convinced enough of the US population to give up on everything that made our country a world leader and choose self-destruction instead. Leftist degrowthers have nothing on reactionary destructionists.
tim-tday•1h ago
Typo in headline. I think the word you’re looking for is “everyone”.
PaulKeeble•1h ago
I would rather quit a job than risk life for a trip to the USA. I have simply put it on the list of unwise places to travel, places like Iran or North Korea. I have no idea when this might change but countries taken over by high amounts of authoritarianism usually emerge from it fairly randomly and usually not at all.

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