The long locking-period is just a way to impose a stealthy and anti-competitive switching-cost onto consumers, denying them the right to use the things they own.
It's also an example of how just because one doesn't care about politics... doesn't mean it won't "care" about you.
> While the Biden-era FCC’s leadership criticized yearlong locking periods and proposed a 60-day unlocking requirement for all carriers, the Trump FCC appears likely to write a new industry-wide standard that would be welcomed by large mobile carriers.
Can you point me to anywhere documenting your claim? That would definitely be a new low if true, but I really don’t think that’s how it works.
The gist is that it allows a third-party seller to stock a bunch of identical, not-yet-locked phones and offer a choice of carrier plans. The phone binds to whichever carrier the user first activated on.
So if you’re buying a phone, verify it is not one of these units.
With smartphones however, the game has changed. Apple for example no longer locks their modems at all and instead rely on a software-level check as part of the "activation" process (at first boot where it also gets its client certificates/etc to talk to Apple services) - said activation policy can be changed remotely, and Apple are very cagey about their full capabilities. I have read of some vendors selling iPhones that would be unlocked at first but lock themselves to the first carrier they see.
It's unlikely Apple would ever enforce or change an activation policy on a phone purchased directly from them, so you should be safe. But technically, it's up to the phone manufacturer. I am not sure what the Android situation is in comparison.
If you have root, you can easily unlock the modem and keep it unlocked.
Someone above said you need the NCK code which is generated from a secret only the carrier has - how does having root get around this?
The lock is basically implemented as an "is the SIM's carrier on a whitelist" check, which can obviously be patched out or modified arbitrarily once you have full access to the firmware which root does. It's important to remember that the lock is entirely on the phone's side, to prevent it from connecting to any other carrier than the one it's locked to. A carrier can implement an "official" unlocking method essentially as an app that runs on the phone to validate the unlock code, but that is no obstacle to root.
If you jailbreak an iPhone, the lock is also easily removable in the same manner.
https://xdaforums.com/t/removing-carrier-lock.3903352/
https://xdaforums.com/t/no-root-needed-carrier-unlock-carrie... (I know what the title says, but this procedure is generic to Mediatek and they are also easily rootable)
Look around that site in general, plenty of Android modding information.
Also see "SIM lock" here:
https://gist.github.com/sadiqsalau/865364b344c0b9cb1b418df8b...
Yeah, there's no official documentation, but that's how the Best Buy ones are. I've seen it called "US Reseller Flex" and "SIM Out" policies. There are some shady websites that have a GSX login that will report the policy name, anti theft lock status, and service history if you put in the IMEI. The intent is to prevent having to keep separate stocks of identical hardware pre-assigned to each carrier you sell for.
IIRC, Best Buy isn't supposed to sell you a phone without at least adding it to an existing carrier account. They act as an agent of the carrier, not selling the phone standalone like Apple does. It's possible that someone could then resell it while in-box as a scam, but that's not what Apple/carrier intended.
I'm part of the problem. But I won't be (as much) after I get a used one and put Graphene OS on it.
Works great, no particular coverage issues, never used enough data to hit any notable throttling.
I’ve read that these virtual networks also get lower prioritization so you can get low bandwidth when the higher tier users are active. Not sure how accurate that is.
Man thinking back, I probably got away with less than 2 dollars a month back in 2006-2010 era.
It is easy to switch between Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile as well. This was helpful for me as all three of the networks normally have one bar or less at my house. T-mobile WiFi calling works more reliably than Verizon.
The "free" is just advertising and for people habituated to credit, it's a no-brainer. Pun intended.
Whatever happened to planning ahead? No wonder things are the way they are.
For some folks out there, planning ahead is "will I have enough money for groceries next paycheck?". There are cheap phones, and I agree that folks are careless. But there is also a concerted effort to encourage this kind of behavior because the economy is built on this kind of dumb consumer spending and debt.
- oh. I like night time camera from 1K pixel or iPhone
It has been like this for several years and it’s great!
You can pay a pretty low monthly down payment over a period of 36 month.
As far as I’ve been able to tell, I don’t even have to enter into any binding contract for any phone plan to buy the phone this way. And even if I did have to do that the most they are allowed to bind me to is 12 months, by law.
Consumer protection laws in my country are fabulous :)
I haven't tried it yet, but a dealer told only to use such a scheme if I didn't plan to use the credit card for anything else during that period.
I can't figure out how they're making money on this scheme.
To paraphrase a common phrase I've seen around here: The "G" in "LTE" stands for "global".
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/19/bank-of-america-nearly-half-...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/52-americans-live-paycheck-pa...
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/goldman-sachs-study-fin...
https://econofact.org/factbrief/is-there-a-consensus-that-a-...
No matter if it's "Nearly half" or 60%, things are clearly far from good for most Americans.
If the point is just that the hedonic treadmill means Americans will continue to be less and less happy as we get more and more wealthy, well, that's the problem we need to fix.
Because the difference between those is a vast gulf.
Now that networks are pretty much LTE and 5G only, if your phone takes a SIM, take the SIM out of the old phone and put it in the new phone. Some carriers still play games with allowlists for VoLTE though.
But you might have better luck (and better pricing) with a MVNO or the prepaid side of your preferred carrier.
Because of the special handling that emergency calls must get in cellular networks, many older phones will use circuit-switched fallback (AKA 3g or 2G) for those calls, even if they are otherwise VoLTE capable.
This was pretty much fine back in the day, as 2g and 3g networks were just as (if not more) widespread as VoLTE, but those networks are now being shut down. If you have one of these phones and an LTE-only carrier allows it onto their network, you will be able to make any normal call, but emergency calls will not work.
To add insult to injury, there's no way for the carrier to tell whether any specific phone does emergency calls over VoLTE or not, especially if they don't have a contract with that vendor. Some phones may only do it in certain configurations, E.G. when branded for that specific carrier and configured with their preferred modem settings.
I buy phones at full price, but in general the free/subsidized versions don't cost more. You just pay over time. For many people, it would even be worth it to pay somewhat more if they don't have the money to pay up front.
One downside though is that you're more likely to upgrade to features you don't need because "it's only an extra $5/6/10 per month". Gotta always consider the total cost.
It would be my pleasure to announce to them that the terms of service dictate that the padlocks would never be removed, but the new subscription fees would be announced shortly.
It would be delicious to see such a delightful revenge sink deep into their lives.
Until such time, enjoy our esteem, you scoundrels!
(I wonder if this unlocking policy will retroactively apply to the locked Striaght Talk phone I bought back in October.)
The fact that people pay over $100/month for a phone bill is truly a uniquely mind-boggling American thing.
Depending on the MVNO you can get first-class priority data (my plan has it), but also this stuff has never made a difference in my experience. When I was on 'lower priority' data the differences in speed weren't noticeable if I had service at all, and in the cases where I was at some event where there was a lot of devices contending for access to the tower, nobody was getting service.
On Mint your traffic is routed with lower priority than T-Mobile's main customers. In practice, I have only experienced this at busy airports and an MLB game - where basically service dropped to near zero. This is in the Boston area. Obviously not ideal if you're in those conditions regularly. Otherwise it's been awesome.
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> On Mint your traffic is routed with lower priority than T-Mobile's main customers.
Much better to just use T-Mobile connect. Same pricing without the lower priority. I pay $15/month for my line which works out the same to $180/year.
They aren't going to lose their money.
If the phone is paid in full, what is the justification for not unlocking it?
In cases of fraud, it creates buffer time for the consumer who’s identity was stolen to notice and notify before the device disappears.
So some buffer is legitimate, but not the amount they are trying to impose.
(^1) I wish I wasn't so tempted after ~4 years, but the battery health has dropped to 75% and the performance has suffered dramatically. A new battery is on the table I suppose, but I am split between just putting that money towards a new phone.
Won't help with performance, but I've found that keeping bluetooth and location turned off lets me use the phone for the whole day without needing a recharge. Only thing that eats battery is video calls.
If you're using an iPhone, buy it from the Apple Store, full stop. No reason not to. If you need financing they have that (ACMI). They also sell older models refurb (like new condition) to save even more.
For a cheap Android (Revvl 60 or whatever), they'll just give you another cheap one next time you switch carriers, right? They are basically e-waste after a year or two and don't get updates.
And basically the only flagship Android widely sold in America is Samsung which is also sold DTC, albeit only online, and sometimes has promos for direct purchase? Maybe not as much financing tho. The other OEMs either don't sell in the US, or have some DTC presence too (ex. OnePlus).
When I graduated from college, a large majority of the recent graduates at my first job had new cars.
I still see this trend - young people with the latest iphone and/or new cars, and not worrying about being tied to payments.
I think this will happen... forever.
I sometimes buy carrier locked phones when the unlock period is reasonable and the locked phone + the required service is a good deal compared to buying unlocked.
I don't think a 1 year locked period is reasonable though, unless it was locked to the carrier I actually intend to use.
If a carrier cannot trust you (especially due to bad credit history), they can't sell you the phone you want if you don't pay outright, and many people aren't able to do that. SIM locks are basically "repossessions but for phones." Nobody argues in good faith that banks shouldn't be allowed to evict you if you don't pay your mortgage, and that's effectively what a "no SIM locks" policy does for phones.
To make things even worse, it's far too easy for fraudsters to buy a phone using a stolen identity, never pay a single installment, and instantly sell it on the second-hand market. For SIM-locked phones, the carrier can brick the phone until it is fully paid of, so that kind of fraud is not possible.
Sim locks do enable some abuse, particularly around roaming fees, as you're not allowed to swap your SIM when leaving the country. However, They're a blunt tool unsuited to the 21st century internet-enabled smartphones. One could imagine a mechanism where the carrier is still allowed to brick the phone in case of fraud, but there's no actual SIM lock.
sillywalk•2w ago
merger conditions.
zamalek•2w ago
joecool1029•2w ago
Here’s another fucked up policy that’s about a year old from T-Mobile: I very rarely financed phones direct through T-Mobile. My 15 pro max will be the last since I had to fight them for a device unlock prior to paying off in full. I would have paid it off in full if they didn’t change their policy to kill bill credits if you do pay early. I threatened them with costco’s 90 day return policy if they didn’t do it since I run dual sim for coverage, they relented.
I am curious though, had I never had the phone unlocked, I wonder if Apple would have swapped in an unlocked board when they did my board swap for RCS issue?
zamalek•2w ago