But I strongly disagree with "human rights" that are defined this way - something someone has to go out and bring to you.
A human right is something that someone cannot take away from me. Free speech is a human right. The right to life.
A "human right to water" combined with a "human right to housing" implies that if I walk aimlessly into a desert and decide to stay there, it is my human right to have people bring we water and a place to stay. Other people not doing so is against my human rights.
That's just... dumb.
And, again - inmates should have clean water.
It seems to me you are making the exact error in argument I react against. Stop making everything a "human right". You see, in the end, when you've made everything "human rights", the whole "human rights" concept will cease to have any meaning whatsoever and you will have lost.
This isn’t cleanly mapped to typical notions of human rights, but it’s still a question of rights.
> Moms told me that their kids had lost their appetites after finding worms and mold on their food, had trouble sleeping on the facility’s hard metal bunk beds in rooms shared by at least a dozen other people, and were constantly sick.
techblueberry•2h ago
People use a similar argument in medicine, and I think the counter-counter argument to that is, I dunno the statistic is but like I think many doctors get into medicine hoping to help people that can’t help themselves. Medicine is ubiquitous enough, and public opinion probably leans that way enough to build some conception of a human right around it.
We produce more food than we can consume, that and its relation to human flourishing mean I think providing food is a human right.
josefritzishere•1h ago
watwut•1h ago
snarfy•1h ago
I think framing it from the other side makes the whole idea a lot more palatable.
If I work hard to create clean drinking water from dirty, it is not your right to take it from me. It is my responsibility to help a fellow human being.
toast0•1h ago
You must provide water to prisoners; asking them to get it themselves is absurd. If the local water is unsafe, the prison should be relocated.
techblueberry•52m ago