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Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/15/david-greene-google-ai-podcast/
45•mikhael•5h ago
https://archive.ph/p81wc

Comments

lysace•1h ago
Echoes of when Scarlett Johansson accused OpenAI of stealing her voice. That time it was impossible to tell who was in the right - there was no available recording of OpenAI's supposed Scarlett clone - they had pulled it immediately for fear of bad PR.

Then came the completely nonsensical HN threads with people arguing about something they hadn't heard.

Maybe don't redo that whole thing? Could we at least make sure to secure some examples of A and B, this time?

--

Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice (May 20, 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 (1021 comments)

OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show (May 23, 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448045 (1218 comments)

ghostly_s•1h ago
Don't know what you're talking about, clips of the AI voice were publicly available at the time.
lysace•53m ago
They were definitely not. Here is someone in that first thread trying to figure out what is actually going on, and failing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421757

I had to wade through 12 gigantic generic political subthreads to find this.

"Do you have an example of the changed voice anywhere?" (No replies.)

"Yes, I feel gaslit by the whole situation" is a great summary.

Please post a clip from the time. I'm still curious to hear how similar or not they acually were.

dpe82•1h ago
Also available on msn.com sans paywall: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-spent-decades-perfectin...
ghostly_s•1h ago
Thanks, but the audio clips don't work here either.
johnwheeler•1h ago
His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. He's going to have a hard time unless he can find some emails that say, use David Green's voice.
reaperducer•1h ago
His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me.

It doesn't matter whether it sounds distinctive to you. What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement.

Just like it doesn't matter if you used a machine to duplicate a painting. It's still an infringement.

You can't publish a Harry Potter novel and then throw up your hands and say, "It wasn't me. The AI decided to name the characters Hargid and Hermione and Snape."

Google says it paid a voice actor. If it provides proof of that, good. But like with a lot of AI things, we're in new territory here.

Seems like there's a market for a tool that can compare an AI voice to a library of known famous voices so that companies like Google can tweak their machines to not sound too much like someone who can be harmed by a sound-alike.

nerdsniper•1h ago
> What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement.

Also not sufficient. There has to be some evidence they attempted to copy the voice rather than just found one that was eerily similar.

This comes up from time to time without AI either. Like its not good if a firm goes out to find someone with a voice similar to a famous person / voice actor…but its fine if they just randomly find one that sounds exactly the same and they say “oooh lets go with this one” and not “oooh perfect this sounds just like Dan LaFontaine!”

dehrmann•1h ago
All sorts of movie trailers used Don LaFontaine knockoffs.
fhub•1h ago
He'll likely file in California or Federal and ask for Jury trial. I think a Jury will be sympathetic. I doubt Google will want this to go to a jury trial - not worth the risk, further news cycles of negative PR and impact on staff morale. NPR is credible and liked.
dehrmann•1h ago
I think a lot of sport announcers sound the same. There might just be classes of voices where you expect a faceless voice in some scenario to sound a certain way.
barbazoo•1h ago
> Greene felt the male voice sounded just like him

Turns out he still has his own voice, that one sounds like him.

13415•1h ago
That's likely the case because they deliberately cloned his voice.
IshKebab•36m ago
Unlikely. Most likely is that they used a lot of his podcasts in training and the AI picked a voice that was well represented in its training set because that's how it works.

Nobody at Google was like "we should use this guy's voice!"

golfer•32m ago
If you read the article, Google says they hired a professional voice actor to create the NotebookLM voice. I'm sure this will come to light in the lawsuit.
prodigycorp•1h ago
I always thought the female voice sounded eerily similar to Tracy Alloway.
teekert•1h ago
I listen to some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts. The main host (Chris Fisher) regularly pops up in NotebookLLM content, with his voice. Sometimes it just jumps in, and then after some time out again. It’s usually a pretty perfect imitation, I can’t hear the difference .

Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes in (shared this clip here late 2024 [1]).

[0] https://podverse.fm/clip/Vy4y7ZG2Rd

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=NotebookLM%20Copied%20a%20Podc...

oniony•1h ago
Where no limbs are left behind.
walthamstow•1h ago
I think I rememeber an episode where he played a clip of AI Chris talking about Linux at the start of an episode and I genuinely couldn't tell the difference
teekert•58m ago
Yeah for sure it has copied his voice and mannerisms nearly perfectly.
jader201•1h ago
Yeah, I don't hear it.

I kept listening waiting to hear the voice that was supposed to sound like him, and never did.

Was it the first one (I heard three different voices during the clip)? That one is considerably deeper than the podcaster's voice, and has different tones, too. It definitely wasn't the last one, that one was much higher pitched (and then a female voice in the middle).

Feels like a big stretch, to say the least. But I can tell a big difference between the two.

Ultimately, it's like some of the music copyright lawsuits, where they're suing over chord progression. There are a billion voices on the planet -- any AI generated voice is going to sound similar to someone else's real voice (and again, I don't hear it at all in this case).

EDIT: So it's the third voice apparently. The pitch is close, but the tones and accents still definitely feel "off" enough that it doesn't sound like they were intentionally going for this guy. It still feels like a stretch to me, but not as much as the first voice did.

teekert•1h ago
It’s the voice after the woman indeed. I think it’s very close, didn’t understand what happened the first time I heard it. And this was 2024, they found many funny examples and they get better and are even better copies.
allenu•1h ago
In the clip, I thought he was playing a prank by reading the script of NotebookLM as the third voice (after the woman). Was that really NotebookLM? I've only heard the first two voices and the first voice didn't sound like him to me, but the last one definitely sounded like him.
teekert•1h ago
Yeah it’s after the woman enters. That is usually how it happens, suddenly his voice comes in, even though it’s a duo suddenly it’s his voice for some time. And really with all his mannerisms. I guess there is just a lot of his material out there.
hinkley•36m ago
I don’t agree with this one, which puts me at one yes and one no.

But it is always possible that this is what Chris sounds like in his own head. Nobody listening to audio will hear it the way he does.

j-bos•1h ago
At a certain point with generative AI we're going to run out of voices and faces the same way we run out of domain names and trademarks.
kelseyfrog•1h ago
Can we not sample indefinitely from the latent space of vocal and delivery characteristics?
parpfish•9m ago
the "latent space containing all voices" may given you the ability to parametrize voices and make an infitinte number of unique voices. BUT... people have a limited ability to distinguish points in the space.

in perceptual psychology/psychophysics, there's the concept of the "just-noticeable difference" (JND) which is the smallest change to a stimulus you can make that is reliable detectable.

normally the JND is measured on physical properties like brightness, pitch, etc but there's no reason it couldn't be applied to a more abstract latent space. two points in a particular latent space may be mathematically unique, but if they're indistinguishable to humans we shouldn't treat them as distinct voices

tantalor•57m ago
Compare for yourself.

David Greene: https://youtu.be/xYxQrLp4MQk

NotebookLM: https://youtu.be/AR4dRtzFvxM

I think he just has "podcast guy" voice. It's pretty generic.

koolba•52m ago
The more familiar you are with his voice the less similar it would sound. It’s like how siblings look more similar to strangers.
hinkley•41m ago
Well remember that how your voice sounds to you isn’t what other people hear.

But I’m the guy who blurts out how the voice actor for the gate guard played the brother in that movie with that guy. And I can hear what he’s complaining about. There’s a lot of elements of his voice and the tempo is pretty close.

)usually it’s the tempo and certain phonemes that give people away to me when they are doing a different accent)

Zigurd•48m ago
When I tried NotebookLM on a long project management training deck, I thought the male voice sounded quite a bit like Leo Laporte. The format and banter seemed similar, too.
kylecazar•37m ago
Wow, I haven't heard that name in a long while. Brought me back to watching he and Kevin Rose on TV after school.
dgeiser13•31m ago
The NotebookLM voice sounds more like Kai Ryssdal to me.
hinkley•31m ago
I hear this one. I tend to catch patterns in tempo as much or more so as timbre and this is awfully close on both accounts. I don’t hear the Chris Fisher comparison that was also posted.

So I would say that where there is smoke there is sometimes fire at this point.

bethekidyouwant•21m ago
If someone is born with David Attenborough‘s exact voice… what happens?

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