It doesn't matter whether it sounds distinctive to you. What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement.
Just like it doesn't matter if you used a machine to duplicate a painting. It's still an infringement.
You can't publish a Harry Potter novel and then throw up your hands and say, "It wasn't me. The AI decided to name the characters Hargid and Hermione and Snape."
Google says it paid a voice actor. If it provides proof of that, good. But like with a lot of AI things, we're in new territory here.
Seems like there's a market for a tool that can compare an AI voice to a library of known famous voices so that companies like Google can tweak their machines to not sound too much like someone who can be harmed by a sound-alike.
Also not sufficient. There has to be some evidence they attempted to copy the voice rather than just found one that was eerily similar.
This comes up from time to time without AI either. Like its not good if a firm goes out to find someone with a voice similar to a famous person / voice actor…but its fine if they just randomly find one that sounds exactly the same and they say “oooh lets go with this one” and not “oooh perfect this sounds just like Dan LaFontaine!”
Turns out he still has his own voice, that one sounds like him.
Nobody at Google was like "we should use this guy's voice!"
Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes in (shared this clip here late 2024 [1]).
[0] https://podverse.fm/clip/Vy4y7ZG2Rd
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=NotebookLM%20Copied%20a%20Podc...
I kept listening waiting to hear the voice that was supposed to sound like him, and never did.
Was it the first one (I heard three different voices during the clip)? That one is considerably deeper than the podcaster's voice, and has different tones, too. It definitely wasn't the last one, that one was much higher pitched (and then a female voice in the middle).
Feels like a big stretch, to say the least. But I can tell a big difference between the two.
Ultimately, it's like some of the music copyright lawsuits, where they're suing over chord progression. There are a billion voices on the planet -- any AI generated voice is going to sound similar to someone else's real voice (and again, I don't hear it at all in this case).
EDIT: So it's the third voice apparently. The pitch is close, but the tones and accents still definitely feel "off" enough that it doesn't sound like they were intentionally going for this guy. It still feels like a stretch to me, but not as much as the first voice did.
But it is always possible that this is what Chris sounds like in his own head. Nobody listening to audio will hear it the way he does.
in perceptual psychology/psychophysics, there's the concept of the "just-noticeable difference" (JND) which is the smallest change to a stimulus you can make that is reliable detectable.
normally the JND is measured on physical properties like brightness, pitch, etc but there's no reason it couldn't be applied to a more abstract latent space. two points in a particular latent space may be mathematically unique, but if they're indistinguishable to humans we shouldn't treat them as distinct voices
David Greene: https://youtu.be/xYxQrLp4MQk
NotebookLM: https://youtu.be/AR4dRtzFvxM
I think he just has "podcast guy" voice. It's pretty generic.
But I’m the guy who blurts out how the voice actor for the gate guard played the brother in that movie with that guy. And I can hear what he’s complaining about. There’s a lot of elements of his voice and the tempo is pretty close.
)usually it’s the tempo and certain phonemes that give people away to me when they are doing a different accent)
So I would say that where there is smoke there is sometimes fire at this point.
lysace•1h ago
Then came the completely nonsensical HN threads with people arguing about something they hadn't heard.
Maybe don't redo that whole thing? Could we at least make sure to secure some examples of A and B, this time?
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Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice (May 20, 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 (1021 comments)
OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show (May 23, 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448045 (1218 comments)
ghostly_s•1h ago
lysace•53m ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421757
I had to wade through 12 gigantic generic political subthreads to find this.
"Do you have an example of the changed voice anywhere?" (No replies.)
"Yes, I feel gaslit by the whole situation" is a great summary.
Please post a clip from the time. I'm still curious to hear how similar or not they acually were.