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Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

https://www.wsetglobal.com/knowledge-centre/blog/2023/july/05/exploring-georgian-wine-history-grape-varieties-styles-and-amber-wine/
29•Anon84•4d ago

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dyauspitr•1h ago
Crazy to think that’s roughly around when white people started becoming… white.

It was basically all dark skinned people on the planet before then.

legerdemain•47m ago
There's a reason they call them Caucasian.
gnull•20m ago
No, there isn't. Caucasus is a place that exists now, and people who live there now have more basis to be called that. Some of them are White, some aren't. There's many ethnicities there, but they have a ton of cultural things on common. In the Russian-speaking parts of the world "Caucasian" refers to those cultural features, just like you may use the words "Asian" or "European".

You can only use Caucasian as white if you're completely uneducated about geography and unaware of life outside of US.

riffraff•1h ago
Georgian cuisine and drinking is little known in the west but it's really, really good.

It's a pity the country has been democratically backsliding for a while, which has limited their hopes of tighter integration with the EU.

gnull•28m ago
I doubt they will benefit from that integration much. But I'm pretty sure the way there will hurt. Georgia's economy is tied to Russia at the moment, and as you said Westerners are not exactly lining up to travel to Georgia and order its wine (Russians are).

The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. And EU has been using it like carrot and stick to steer Georgia away from Russia, disregarding the cost of it for Georgia. That time when EU declared Georgian elections illegitimate (with no actual basis provided) to me was a violation of Georgia's sovereignty.

Elections in Georgia are very competitive. I've heard that government was slowly putting pressure on media, but I don't remember anything major. Georgia could be the most democratic of ex-USSR except Baltics today.

3RTB297•13m ago
Seconding all of this. The food is truly fantastic, and the Georgian people are awesome, but the way they've let Putin slide in to just the right places is holding back the country.

I've never been so invested in a puppet show as the puppet theater in Tblisi.

gregman1•8m ago
As long as France is in EU no other country on earth can import good wine. Cheap - probably, heavily controlled and in many cases partially owned by French or in some rare cases other European companies (like in Chilean or Argentinian cases). This market is rather hardcore and kinda monopolized in EU. Go ask anyone who knows wine market or works at a Georgian (or any ex-Soviet restaurant). Georgian wine enjoyed this kind of monopoly in USSR so no surprise here. During that time wine from Moldova wine was an affordable great quality underdog.
petesergeant•59m ago
They're very proud of it too, but having spent time in Tbilisi (strong recommend!), there's a very simple reason you can buy French and Australian wine at your local shop, but nobody has bothered to make sure there's a good selection of Georgian wine there.
dcrazy•39m ago
Germany and especially Austria produce some rather poor reds but have carved out a niche for Riesling and Gewürtztraminer. Is there a similar niche for Georgian wine?
Khaine•7m ago
Georgia makes wine in its traditional style or 'european' style. Traditional style is where the crushed grapes including branches is stored in clay pots (called Qvevri) for fermentation and aging. This means Georgian wines often have a different colour and can be cloudy.

European is the style of how most wine is made in Europe

The most famous style is Saperavi which is a Red wine.

3RTB297•6m ago
I'm not who you asked, but the niche for Georgian wine is orange wine, which is white wine left to sit on the grape skins for a couple days, so it pulls more tannins. It's not exclusive to them alone, but the more distinct niche is orange wine aged in clay pots that gives it a distinct earthiness. If you appreciate understanding food anthropology, this is more similar to how wine was produced in ancient times, as opposed to a cabernet or modern varieties aged in oak or stainless steel.

You can usually find maybe one variety of orange wine in the US at larger wine stores with a substantial international selection.

darthoctopus•23m ago
what _is_ that reason, out of curiosity?

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