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CERN rebuilt the original browser from 1989

https://worldwideweb.cern.ch
63•tylerdane•2h ago

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tylerdane•2h ago
Direct link to the browser: https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/browser/
Kim_Bruning•56m ago
Did you notice you can click anywhere in the text and edit it?

Something was lost along the way.

(Nowadays you need a separate wiki engine on a site to be able to do that)

krapp•52m ago
Do we know that they didn't have some backend code handing the editing?

I don't think a web where every page is globally editable by default would be a good idea, but I can't imagine at all how it would work without a backend, unless all of the changes are just local. But that seems pointless.

actionfromafar•43m ago
Upload the file when you are done, perhaps?
zabzonk•42m ago
> But that seems pointless.

Making notes for your own consumption?

Kim_Bruning•42m ago
HTTP has PUT and DELETE for a reason ;-)
shakna•6m ago
Being able to change stylesheets, disable or enhance various JavaScript scripts, add notes and annotations, and other things, is exactly the idea of a user agent.

The user makes a request, and then does whatever they like with the answer. Not just whatever is sensible, but whatever they want to do.

If that concept somehow became accepted again... I think the accessible web might well become a solved problem, rather than an endless slog.

karlgkk•11m ago
> (Nowadays you need a separate wiki engine on a site to be able to do that)

No you don’t. These browser simply PUTs the request and your web server simply edits the document. Versioning is optional, of course.

jmclnx•1h ago
Interesting, for some reason I thought lynx was the first browser. I thought I read that a while ago.

But it makes sense it is a GUI browser since it was developed on a NeXT

wahern•1h ago
WorldWideWeb didn't originally support inline images, and while using a graphical toolkit rendered pages more like Lynx, albeit with the ability to vary fonts. Lynx wasn't the first WWW browser, but came along shortly after, a year or so after WorldWideWeb, and is the oldest browser still maintained. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser#Ear...

I'm having trouble pinning down when WorldWideWeb got inline image support, but based on https://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/Feat... I'm guessing sometime between 1992 and 1994, when there are screenshots with inline images, so maybe after Lynx was published.

WillAdams•1h ago
Well there was this image:

https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/07/18/les-horribles-cern...

dunham•49m ago
It's been a very long time, but my recollection was the Mosaic did images first, and it was non-standard. (The beginning of the end.) I might be thinking of some other feature though.

I was also disappointed that the editing went away after the first browser. (There was "Amaya" which had editing, but it was a research thing and not a commonly used browser.)

lysace•1h ago
It's a javascript-based imitation, much like all of those js-based imitations of various Windows versions.

The original source code isn't really involved, which is a shame, since it is actually available.

IMHO this should have been (something along the lines of) GNUstep + TimBL's original code (mirror: https://github.com/cynthia/WorldWideWeb) + Emscripten + getting Emscripten to work with ObjC. Now, that would have been cool.

This is the most commented HN posting on this from that time (2019):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19249373

nine_k•1h ago
A WASM emulator of 68040 and NeXT, the original OS and compiler, then run WWW on top of that.

The performance would likely be comparable %)

actionfromafar•42m ago
The performance would likely be much better. :-)
lysace•28m ago
Example from 1990:

https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows30

java-man•1h ago
All the links should point to the 1989 internet instead of "Not Found"

:-)

fsloth•55m ago
Fun fact: Erwise[0] was the first _graphical_ browser developed by a group of students in Helsinki University of Technology with Sir Berners Lee. Sadly there was no funding in Finland available at the time and they had to abandon the project and most of the group ended up working at Tekla, contributing to a bunch of cool AEC CAD technology (Tekla is now a Trimble subsidiary).

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwise

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CERN rebuilt the original browser from 1989

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