I don't blame the OpenAI staff (and as far as I am aware most people don't). Most of us end up working for assholes if you go far enough up the chain, but it's different when the CEO tries to earn social credit by having his principles, only to seize on an opportunity and just ignore those principles. He can say "oh well they pinky swore they wouldn't abuse this or redefine laws to say what they're doing is 'lawful'", but I personally would have trouble trusting the words of a convicted fraudster lolcow that we decided to elect as president and an alcoholic Fox News host. I guess that makes me a "radical leftist" though, I'm sure that the 10000 IQ people always trust convicted criminals.
I'm sure Sam Altman will make his money, and I'm sure that OpenAI will continue to take over the world like before, but I don't have to fund it myself, hence why I canceled my ChatGPT Plus and signed up for Claude. I'm sure that the CEO for that company will be a douche eventually too, but at least as of right now he seems to have a shrapnel of integrity.
I can't read most of the article because most of the common archiving sites don't appear to work.
Each day that goes by Im more convinced OAI will not be a healthy going-concern without government help, which most likely will not be granted.
Regardless, my point is that one dude canceling his $20/month subscription probably isn't going to affect anything, but it's basically all I can do.
The money they have available is what is on the balance sheet, which they are burning right-through whilst facing immense competition and never-ending reinvestment, given that Google will carry on doing so. Cash flows from operations is a big fat negative.
I see Google first killing OAI, then eventually doing the same to Anthropic, once they figure out a suite of products that truly revolutionises the work of a sofware engineer beyond just talking to a chat interface, and bundle it into their existing offerings for enterprise.
I agree that if anyone is going to kill OpenAI it's likely Google. They have even more funding and already have giant training indexes for search that they could likely leverage to improve their models in a way that OpenAI can't.
There was a point where Google's existence was questioned, but they've been working away quietly and they'll win the long game. Altman viewed OAI as a way to reduce Google's AI dominance - I think when we look back in history it'll turn out he made it worse. Google wasn't all that interested in releasing LLMs out into the wild.
Honestly I think these tech billionaires are very thin-skinned and they don't like people saying mean things about them, and I think a lot of them are completely unable to reconcile this simple fact: when you're a billionaire, you don't fucking get to have a normal life.
You didn't have to get billions of dollars of wealth. If you get into a situation like that, then yes your actions are going to be scrutinized more than a nobody like me. People are going to call you an asshole when you do asshole things more than when some random nobody does something assholey. You chose to be popular and powerful; if you don't like that then there's no law saying you can't get a regular 9-5 job like the rest of us.
I have no inside scoop, but it sure looks like this was all pre-arranged. Altman made a better offer to Hegseth/ Trump (or offered some other "inducement"), so Hegseth found this way to weasel out of the contract with Anthropic. I don't see how this all would have transpired that quickly otherwise. And of course the fact that three days later OpenAI reportedly got the same contingencies on its contract that were the supposed reason for cancelling Anthropic's contract just looks wrong.
The stuff that Altman mentioned seemed to indicate that they'll support the US government as long as the US government is following the law, ignoring the "if the president does it it's not illegal" mentality that this administration appears to be taking.
> We detected unusual activity from your device or network.
Anyone have an alternative link? The archive.* sites are also an endless captcha loop for me unfortunately. And no I am not using any VPN or CF DNS/etc.
https://smry.ai/proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Ftech%2...
PS. I can't be sure if it's the whole article, not just some AI summary thou.
Posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47195085
If you believe that your labor is worth something — which I’m pretty sure this crowd does — by working for a given firm, you’re voting with the value of your time in support of what your employer does.
Which, to be clear, is 100% your choice! I’m not going to accuse anyone of being a “bad person” because they decide that stable, high-paying employment is more important than taking a particular ethical (or political) stand at work.
But it _is_ a choice that you make every day by showing up for work.
In my view this is even more relevant for tech workers who receive equity. If you’re a shareholder in addition to being an employee, you’re now voting _twice_ in favor of what management is doing, and benefitting directly from both pay and ownership.
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GlacierFox•1h ago
Okay, you might need to re-evaluate the life lessons you seem to have selectively taught yourself. This is base line culture war 'You must be mentally deficient if you don't align with what I deem to be empathetic right now or I don't think you're nice enough' type stuff.
High school type shit.
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parl_match•1h ago
I have. I've also seen it happen for Uber, for someone who worked on the god mode project that went viral for being used at holiday parties.
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mathisfun123•1h ago
> even if you don't use that explicitly, it can affect your judgement of them when discussing them to an interview committee
my friend that's literally unethical.
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Arainach•1h ago
Sure, you never write "no hire because they worked at Palantir". You write "candidate didn't ask clarifying questions about {X} and jumped to answer {Y} which is not what I expect from a candidate of this level, no hire".
....this assumes that anyone at all reads your detailed notes if you submit an initial rating of "no hire", and I have very little evidence from my interviewing career across multiple companies to believe that's the case..
mathisfun123•56m ago
> this assumes that anyone at all reads your detailed notes if you submit an initial rating of "no hire"
the director of my org (inside of FAANG) reads all of our interview feedback if we make an offer.
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thierrydamiba•1h ago
Hilarious because onesociety2022 seems so earnest. Someone who is shocked at the idea that job search isn’t a pure meritocracy.
Horrifying because kuang_eleven points out just how easy it is to pass a qualified candidate if you want to.
The truth is somewhere in the middle…
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game_the0ry•1h ago
Don't judge employees for what their CEOs do bc they do not have a choice in the matter.
That resume you toss might be someone that needs to pay a mortgage, has a sick wife, or autistic kid that needs the insurance. Or it could come from an employee who genuinely disagrees with mission and quit, but its not like you would know or even care.
What if your CEO went politically rogue and started openly supporting Trump? Would you quit? I doubt that.
What a childish attitude. Get your politics TF out of the office and remember the fact that we live in a democracy where sometimes you do not get your way.
paulryanrogers•1h ago
Yes. I would. Trump is a uniquely dangerous president with uniquely unrestrained power.
I'll continue to write my representatives, publicly protest, boycott businesses and employers, and use all other legal levers of power that I can. My kids future cannot afford to let these crimes continue unchecked.
> Get your politics TF out of the office...
A large portion of our lives is spent at the office, with people we may not otherwise interact with. Former coworkers sharing their perspectives helped sow the seeds of my change in politics, both on individual issues and worldview.
It's childish to think life can be perfectly compartmentalized, like pre-K learning stations.
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paulryanrogers•18m ago
If there is truly an impasse the legislative branch should win because it is the most diverse and direct representation of the people.
I also have other crazy ideas like money isn't speech, ranked choice voting, same-day primaries, outlawing private financing of campaigns, bribery is accepting compensation even if before the action being bought, abolishing the electoral college and the US Senate, and no one is above investigation or the law--not even in their official capacity.
game_the0ry•41m ago
Consider that more than 50% of your fellow American citizens voted for the man you hate, and you will have to work with them no matter what. That's called "democracy."
Its childish to avoid that truth.
paulryanrogers•13m ago
Resisting tyranny is a core tenant of democracy.
game_the0ry•4m ago
Trump is no saint, but you are turning him into a cartoonish villain. That never stopped democrats from taking his donation checks, did it?
> Resisting tyranny is a core tenant of democracy.
No, the core tenant of democracy is everyone gets a vote and you agree to live with the outcome, bc you get a vote too. And if you do not agree with the outcome, then you are the tyrant.
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game_the0ry•49m ago
And I doubt you're doing anything about except posting your opinion on the internet. How brave.
jesse_dot_id•32m ago
It doesn't have to be a death camp or a gas chamber. Unlawfully arresting people based on their race or language and then shipping them out of state, where their representatives are unlawfully prohibited from inspection of the facility is vile shit. Your indifference to what that is like for those people is glaring and it makes my point for me.
game_the0ry•13m ago
You made the nazi regime comparison - not me - and did it poorly. Now you're walking it back? Incoherent.
> Unlawfully arresting...
There is nothing unlawful about arresting illegal immigrants.
> Your indifference to what that is like for those people is glaring and it makes my point for me.
No one forced them to come here. They will certainly be forced to leave bc, again, they are here illegally.
jesse_dot_id•37m ago
iso-logi•9m ago
You should not deserve a job for the rest of your life. You should be homeless and honestly, maybe end your life.
If your CEO supports Trump, that probably isn't the best thing either, although this is 1 million times better than being the tool used to break every laws, developing killing and spying machines.
iugtmkbdfil834•1h ago
It is silly.
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Arainach•55m ago
In real engineering disciplines, engineers sign their name to key decisions and if people get hurt someone loses their license and their right to do engineering work. The world would be a better place if software worked that way, although it'd be harder for a bunch of sociopaths to become billionaires.
tadfisher•12m ago