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A proposal to classify happiness as a psychiatric disorder

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1376114/
55•wjSgoWPm5bWAhXB•2h ago

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AnimalMuppet•2h ago
<checks calendar> Wait, this isn't April 1st!

Seriously, happiness is a psychiatric disorder? Rare, sure, but a disorder? That's the craziest thing I've heard since... well, since the Iran war, I guess, so not very long. Still, that's nuts. I cannot imagine the world view that it must take to look at happiness that way.

boesboes•1h ago
It's more of a comment on the absurdity of what is and is not defined as a disorder i believe.
techblueberry•2h ago
Ahh 1992. At the time he probably didn’t know he needed to add a /s or he’d be taken seriously in our delusional future.
dullcrisp•1h ago
Or was the nineties, so it would have been a “not!” or a “psych!”
lo_zamoyski•1h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhIdbRp6xeg
genthree•1h ago
“… on Opposite Day!”
dmschulman•1h ago
Woosh
kusokurae•1h ago
Reminded of that episode of House where the lady with dormant syphillis had something like this.

I wonder are there any ways I can contract this without breaking marital vows

letharion•1h ago
I'm assuming this is some kind of jab at the general propensity of psychiatry to classify most things as disorders, rather than a serious proposal. If anything, I think the problem has gotten worse since this was published. (Then again, maybe happiness has also gotten more rare since 1992?)
thomascgalvin•1h ago
I had to check if it was April Fool's Day
adyashakti•1h ago
it's Catch-22. the world is such a mess that if you're happy, you must be delusional.
ranger_danger•1h ago
hard disagree. I think you can be happy about some things and not about others, and it's not so black-and-white.
nickburns•1h ago
Replace 'happy' with 'neurotic' and you got it!
eouw0o83hf•1h ago
I really liked this paper. I think it's less of an outright joke that it's possible to squint your eyes and laugh that happiness could be a disorder, and more of shining a light on the psychopathological system that tends towards over-diagnosis and hyperfixation on those diagnoses.

"If our so-called scientific system were really objective and honest, it would include happiness as a disorder." I think this is the goal the paper is trying to expose, more than just making a joke about mapping a good feeling to a description of a bad feeling. Indeed, I think the last line of the paper gives it away - our current system is very incomplete and needs to be extended:

> Indeed, only a psychopathology that openly declares the relevance of values to classification could persist in excluding happiness from the psychiatric disorders.

lo_zamoyski•52m ago
What it exposes is that there are underlying methodological presuppositions that are hazardous.

If statistical frequency is our ultimate basis for normative behavior, then things like happiness can be pathologized. This is absurd, which means normativity cannot be decided by ubiquity or popular vote. You have to look to the objective nature of the thing.

This is another case where materialism utterly flops, because materialistic ontology - one that reduces all of reality to Cartesian res extensa - cannot account for the normative at all (among other things).

boesboes•1h ago
Reminds me of https://thenewinquiry.com/book-of-lamentations/ edit: A review of the DSM as if it where a dystopian novel basically, makes some interesting observations/points
pogue•1h ago
This reminds me of this old gem from The Onion:

FDA Approves Depressant Drug For The Annoyingly Cheerful [video/NSFW/2:06] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd4tugPM83c

erikerikson•1h ago
A similarly useful article:

More U.S. Children Being Diagnosed With Youthful Tendency Disorder https://theonion.com/more-u-s-children-being-diagnosed-with-...

bensyverson•1h ago
Ha, this is fun. But there's a kernel of truth to it. The problem with American culture specifically is that it treats "happiness" as a goal, rather than a fleeting feeling that is probably better described with a more specific word (joy, accomplishment, excitement, satisfaction, contentment). Our culture leans on this so hard that people start to think there's something wrong with them if they're not feeling generalized happiness most of the time.

That's just not how life works.

joshmarlow•51m ago
A few years ago I read a claim that the word 'happy' is relatively young - ~500 years old - and that translations of others words into 'happy' are somewhat approximate.

My takeaway is that (presuming the argument is correct) that much of human striving is probably better described with specific words (as you suggested - joy, accomplishment, fulfillment, excitement, etc). For most of human history, most people probably didn't think "I want to be happy" but "I want to have a good partner", "I want a big family", "I want my crop to grow so I don't die."

I wonder how much unhappiness is caused by seeking a poorly-defined ideal of happiness.

The book was called "Power, Pleasure, and Profit: Insatiable Appetites from Machiavelli to Madison".

bensyverson•46m ago
Oh, absolutely. 99.999% of human history has been "just want to survive another year."

Russ Harris has a great book about this called The Happiness Trap [0], which is an introduction to ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy)

[0]: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/76053/the-happiness...

tim333•23m ago
Dunno. Traveling to less developed places parents still want the kids to be happy for a start. It's surprising in places without roads, internet, phones etc. how normal everything is.
bensyverson•16m ago
It's normal for parents to want their kids to be happy… it's less normal for those kids to be "happy" all the time.
dharmach•36m ago
Just because the word 'happy' is relatively young in the English/European language, a conclusion can not be made for the whole Humankind.
variaga•35m ago
"Happiness comes in small doses folks. It's a cigarette butt, or a chocolate chip cookie or a five second orgasm. You come, you smoke the butt you eat the cookie you go to sleep wake up and go back to f---ing work the next morning, THAT'S IT! End of f---ing list!"

-Dennis Leary

asah•31m ago
+1 - https://www.google.com/search?q=every+brilliant+thing
asah•32m ago
happiness <> euphoria
randallsquared•27m ago
Indeed. This just illustrates Goodhart's Law.
gotwaz•15m ago
More like modern marketing depts and marketing theory leaning on it. They have replaced what religions used to offer when people asked about purpose, meaning, transcendence or what is the point of my story? Just telling people this all just some biology and chemistry doesnt really answer question about meaning. They will start searching for meaning elsewhere and marketing depts of corporate wonderland step in to fill the void.
delichon•54m ago
I need some advice on etiquette. Is the correct answer to

  "Good morning!"
still

  "That's what the government wants you to believe."
or is it now

  "You want me to contract a psychiatric disorder? What did I ever do to you?"
freedomben•48m ago
I've always loved, "what's so morning about it?"

What are other people's favorite humorous responses?

AnimalMuppet•44m ago
There's Eeyore: "If it is good. Which I doubt."

But I knew a guy who didn't answer with words. He would just growl until he'd had coffee.

amarant•22m ago
That sounds like me. There's a 1:1 correlation between how many cups of coffee I've had and the number of languages I speak.

And like a true computer nerd, of course it's an unsigned integer, meaning if I drink too much coffee I'm back to grunting only (this time on the toilet)

thewebguyd•7m ago
Always a fan of Gandalf's response to Bilbo:

> "What do you mean?" he said. "Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?"

gabrielso•52m ago
Good news is that the government can offer free treatment.
tss93•38m ago
The critique feels valid to me. There’s a tendency in modern psychology/media to pathologize the average human baseline: if you’re not consistently optimistic and thriving, something must be wrong with you, or at least you need to be in a pursuit of this.

But constant happiness isn’t realistic, it’s like a desire to be permanently high. From my own experience I’ve landed somewhere near the Buddhist framing: the healthy default is just calm and neutral, with happiness and sadness coming and going away.

Trying to force happiness as a permanent state seems like its own problem, which is kind of what Bentall is pointing at from the other direction.

thewebguyd•9m ago
> healthy default is just calm and neutral, with happiness and sadness coming and going away.

This is a very healthy attitude, and people often miss it. Every feeling/emotion/state of mind is impermanent. It will come and go on its own, its biology and there's nothing you can do about it. It's trying to "cling" to a specific state, forever, that leads to our own suffering. The moment you've move from "I feel happy" to "I hope this lasts forever" is where you will suffer. Just be a witness to the coming and going, you witness happiness occurring, you don't become happiness, and its the same for other feelings and states.

8bitsrule•33m ago
The way to happiness is to stop chasing it.

Never mind all the ads ... It isn't 'out there somewhere'.

iberator•32m ago
Overall happinesses and motivation and belief are signs of too high level dopamine.

Most business owner people have it. That's why they are often out of touch with random Joe.

They belive in success even if math is saying that's bias.

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