OpenAI demand sinks on secondary market as Anthropic runs hot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-01/openai-demand-sinks-on-secondary-market-as-anthropic-runs-hot

108•helsinkiandrew•2h ago

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ForHackernews•1h ago

OpenAI increasingly looking like the Kozmo.com of the AI bubble.

johnwheeler•1h ago

That's what happens when you're so untrustworthy as Sam Altman. This is coming to roost now. Ever since Paul Graham even said he'll get whatever he wants by any means necessary, basically. And then his board turns on him.

He's a constant liar.

baal80spam•1h ago

Something I don't quite understand is why software developers are flocking to CC - product of a company whose CEO literally said they will be out of job because of it.

chpatrick•1h ago

If he's right they'll be out of job regardless whether it's because of Claude or another AI.

lacunary•1h ago

ostrich, meet sand. I mean, have you tried CC? It's fun to build stuff with it. I think developers that don't use it (or something like it) will be out of a job, yes (unless they're very niche).

IncreasePosts•1h ago

That's like asking why people who shovel shit all day started using backhoes to do their shit shoveling

sd9•1h ago

Because whether I use it or not doesn’t affect the fact that it’s going to take my job. It’s still the easiest way to get things done today.

bayarearefugee•1h ago

I am a software developer that believes LLMs will ruin the market for us in terms of destroying a lot (not all, but more than enough to be devestating) jobs and depressing wages, but I still have no real option but to use them to remain relevant for now.

That said, I dont have a horse in the race and have used all the available options and find it very easy to switch among them, so I'm not a specific booster of Claude Code or any other option.

verst•1h ago

Like Jensen Huang said the job of an engineer is to solve problems not writing code. The code is a means to an end. This is certainly true for me as an engineer and why I'm not worried about AI.

rvz•49m ago

Because fear sells easily to those who do not know the future.

Dario constantly fearmongers to them and 98% of software developers all fall for it, and he needs to sell you access to his product.

The future is local LLMs and Dario knows this is their main threat. Just as Cursor, they don't want to pay for Claude anymore and are going with local models.

noosphr•1h ago

People don't know who Dario is yet.

Sam looks like a used car sales man. Dario looks like he'd hand out coolaid at Jonestown.

kelseyfrog•1h ago

As long as it means Sam doesn't get another dollar from me. What's the flavor?

achierius•1h ago

Death

retsibsi•1h ago

What are you actually claiming? Your take on their looks is irrelevant, and I don't know if you're hinting at anything specific when you say "People don't know who Dario is yet".

bayarearefugee•1h ago

I wish being untrustworthy and being unsuccessful were linked in this way, but sadly they are not.

Altman's untrustworthiness goes all the way back to Loopt and Paul Graham's comments about him were meant as praise, not criticism.

OpenAI's problem is that in addition to Altman being untrustworthy he has also just been flailing in terms of focus.

yabutlivnWoods•1h ago

> ...just been flailing...

Brains fried post late-00s to 10s endless ZIRP waterfall helping them fail up. Not used to reality where everything they touch does not turn to gold.

sd9•1h ago

It’s just because ChatGPT is worse than Claude as of today. If that flipped, which is probably will at some point, if only temporarily, OpenAI will be back on top. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Altman’s morals.

bensyverson•1h ago

Further proof that the "first-mover advantage" is dramatically overstated

philipov•1h ago

It could alternatively be proof that Sam Altman's incompetence is dramatically understated.

blehn•1h ago

Have never seen an interview or piece of writing where he comes off sounding like he knows what he's doing.

lioeters•38m ago

He is very competent at being a convincing liar and sociopath, the primary skill needed to become a successful CEO or President.

Liftyee•1h ago

https://archive.is/PMC5t

yalogin•1h ago

I don’t know why anyone would want to invest in OpenAI on the open market. They are wildly over priced, very much in the red, don’t have the momentum at this time. Their pitch is “trust us even though we are losing money every quarter we are building the user moat”. That is not their strength at this point. Llms have shown they are $ hungry and only enterprises have a proper use case for them. As evident from anthropic, even the $20 per month is not enough to sustain the token usage as they put limits. So OpenAI is far away in that race and their enterprise adoption is just chat, which is barely useful. So not sure what their pitch or near term target should be. Oh don’t forget they are also pushing on hardware and robots which are also huge cash sinks

harmonic18374•1h ago

Yes, most of their top talent has left, except for Jakub. The top researchers I know have no interest in the company.

Aurornis•1h ago

Open market investing in private markets is kind of a dumpster fire everywhere. The offering prices are way too high, the contorted investment vehicles can skim a lot of your investment, and the platforms may not even be able to get the shares you bought because the company exercises right of first refusal.

It’s mostly a FOMO play for people who think they need to have some exposure to these companies they see all over the news.

afavour•30m ago

> I don’t know why anyone would want to invest in OpenAI on the open market

I can only assume hype. That’s why Sam Altman has the job he has. You don’t see the CEO of Anthropic going on the Tonight Show. He’s there to bring OpenAI to the forefront of people’s minds, and uninformed investors will follow.

All catches up to you eventually though.

vrganj•16m ago

I generally think the frontier model labs are doomed as businesses. There's just no economic case for them, especially when a few months later open source models catch up.

strongpigeon•12m ago

I they tread very carefully, I do think their free+ads strategy has a huge potential payoff.

parliament32•4m ago

[delayed]

vlaaad•1h ago

So a buy order for $122000M, and a sell order for $600M is presented as bad news for OpenAI?

Robdel12•1h ago

This, to me, reads like the CEOs that are catching up to months ago.

I was subbed to claude for CC since July/aug (can’t remember when I stopped paying the API pricing).

I canceled 3 weeks ago. Since then everything with the usage limits being slashed before being announced, their cache bug that eats limits (and won’t reset), and just rolling paper cuts with every single release I feel pretty good.

I personally think Anthropic is lost and are chucking products out left and right. They might vibe their moment away

Edit: their last month of releases for CC are heavily favored towards building openclaw into their ecosystem

Aurornis•1h ago

Most people I talk to who pay for their own subscriptions have switched providers at least once, or they keep 2 or 3 plans active from different companies so they can try them all out.

It’s interesting how the long business purchasing cycles and have made it difficult for companies to keep up with these rapid changes. Companies like to spend months getting a vendor approved and then not change it for years. Depending on when your company got on the AI coding bandwagon you may be locked into Copilot or ChatGPT while the rest of the coding world knows that Opus 4.6 is king, at least for this month. The situation may change again next month, but today that’s how it goes.

WinstonSmith84•46m ago

Indeed .. my company got on Cursor when Cursor's fame started to fade. We've just got out of Cursor now to go on Claude, and I feel like we are again "buying the top"

GenerWork•1h ago

I dropped Claude Code months ago. I'm just an amateur who plays around with bringing screens in from Figma and turning them into websites so I can get practice with AI tooling, but their limits were absurdly low on the $20 plan. Codex, for now, is much better in terms of daily limits.

strongpigeon•50m ago

The amount of tokens you get on Codex for $20/mo compared to Claude Code is indeed insane.

afavour•33m ago

And probably unsustainable. OpenAI desperately needs to catch up so they’ll throw yet more cash at it, while Anthropic are market leaders in this particular space.

GenerWork•26m ago

It probably is unsustainable, but until they change it I'm sticking with Codex.

donkeyboy•1h ago

I think the main point is that these two companies have been thought of as equals. Yet OpenAI has a 850B valuation while Anthropic has a 380B valuation. So that means either OAI is overvalued, or Anthropic is undervalued. If you believe they are roughly equal, then it makes sense to have demand for Anthropic.

TheRoque•1h ago

Your logic is flawed, comparing them doesn't mean anything about their absolute valuation, they could be both overvalued or both undervalued too

marcosdumay•31m ago

But if you are going to put some money in one of those companies, you would pick the cheaper one that has more of a moat.

rvz•1h ago

Both are overvalued.

It's just that people are rotating the musical chairs from OpenAI to Anthropic because the former is cheaper than the other.

They (investors) will do this until there is no more upside left to extract.

surgical_fire•18m ago

Maybe both are overvalued.

throwaway2027•1h ago

I just switch between Gemini, Codex, Claude, Z.AI, ... whichever offers the best value.

raincole•1h ago

> The large gap between OpenAI’s $852 billion valuation and Anthropic’s $380 billion has investors rushing to grab equity in the latter before it rises, according to Augment co-founder Adam Crawley.

That's the only thing you need to get from this article. They're doing mostly the same thing, aiming the same market. But Anthropic's shares are at 50% off discount.

neya•51m ago

Man, for some reason the ass kissing of Claude is just insane. Claude this, Claude that. I do Elixir for a living and Claude is just absolutely garbage in comparison to Gemini Pro. But hey, everyone hates Google - despite them being the only model provider that is competent and the one that explicitly states for paid providers that they do not use any of our data for training right under the chatbox.

And Anthropic isn't even the saint that everyone pitches them out to be:

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/12/anthropic-gives-20-million-t...

TheAceOfHearts•32m ago

Gemini is great, but when I last tried it it wasn't as good as Claude Code with agentic workflows. When I tried Antigravity is was very unreliable, like the tooling had yet to catch up to the model such that it wasn't able to fully leverage the model's intelligence and capabilities. I think it comes down to how you're using the models, so I'll ask: how are you interfacing with the LLM?

therobots927•22m ago

“First of all, we’re doing well more revenue than that. Second of all, Brad, if you want to sell your shares, I’ll find you a buyer,” Altman said, prompting laughs from Nadella. “I just — enough. I think there are a lot of people who would love to buy OpenAI shares.”

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