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What is RISC-V and why it matters to Canonical

https://ubuntu.com/blog/risc-v-101-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean-for-canonical
64•fork-bomber•2d ago

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mcdow•2h ago
I’m looking forward to using a RISC-V computer in 20 years
znpy•2h ago
unironically, this.

i've been hearing about arm computer for almost twenty years and only just recently general-purpose decently-priced arm laptops have been released (qualcomm laptops, the macbook neo).

and arm desktop are still not a thing, in practice.

Joker_vD•2h ago
Well, Apple M1/M2/etc. are, technically, ARMv8, and they're available as desktops.
Joeboy•1h ago
Also the Acorn Archimedes is, technically, an ARM / RISC desktop.
andai•1h ago
I think the Surface Laptops (2018?) count, and arguably the previous models (2012+) sorta-kinda count (tablet + keyboard).

Side note: It's kinda funny to me that "the keyboard is detachable, the screen is glass and you can touch/write on it" makes it "lesser" than a laptop rather than being an upgrade.

But yeah, definitely happy to see more in this space. Now we just need e-Paper laptops to take off as well :)

mavhc•1h ago
I have an ARM desktop from 1986 or 1987

https://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/A500.h...

3abiton•1h ago
While its current performance is not competitive, there are currently interesting options. I got the orange pi riscv version, mainly to test riscv while it's slow compared to other arm socs, it's still better than I expected. There are even risc v TPUs now.
ninth_ant•1h ago
This underestimates the will of governments and companies Europe and especially China to reduce their dependency on US-controlled technology.
Tostino•45m ago
I hope our complacent companies get a shot of competition.
wk_end•18m ago
ARM isn't US controlled, is it? British and also now Japanese since it's owned by SoftBank.

Meanwhile, wouldn't China be more heavily invested in Longsoon?

aappleby•44m ago
You're probably already using a RISC-V computer, it's just embedded as a supervisor in some other gadget (or vehicle) you own.
IshKebab•30m ago
I think 10 years is a more realistic estimate. Probably first in servers and Android phones.
wg0•29m ago
Donald Trump might make it five.
bityard•22m ago
I already have one! (But it's technically a soldering iron...)
stuxnet79•1h ago
Not my area of expertise but what exactly is the difference between RISC-V and Power PC? Didn't Power-PC get a good run in the 90s and 2000s? Just wondering why there's renewed interest in RISC-like architectures when industry already had a good exploration of that area.
Chyzwar•54m ago
It is Chinese companies looking for ARM alternative that push this otherwise mediocre ISA.

It is possible that ARM based CPUs will start eating x86 market slowly. See snapdragon X2 and upcoming Nvidia CPU. Maybe in 10 years new computers will be ARM based and a lot of IoT will run on risc-5.

topspin•46m ago
"It is Chinese companies looking for ARM alternative"

The V in RISC-V represents iteration of the ISA, over the last 46 years, most of which occurred in the US, mainly at Berkeley.

aappleby•45m ago
Why "mediocre"? I've written production assembly language for a half-dozen different processor architectures and RISC-V is my favorite by far.
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shakna•52m ago
There's an email signup box on the right side on desktop, or bottom of the page on mobile. Maybe you somehow managed to hit it, or see it during some component update.
ljhsiung•36m ago
> Enabling new business models

This is true, but only for the bigger players. The nature of hardware still fundamentally favors scale and centralization. Every hyper-scalar eventually gets to a size that developing in-house CPU talent is just straight up better (Qcom and Ventana + Nuvia, Meta and Rivos, Google's been building their own team, Nvidia and Vera-Rubin, God help Microsoft though). This does not bode well for RISC-V companies, who are just being used as a stepping stone. See Anthropic, who does currently license but is rumored to develop their own in-house talent [1].

> Extensibility powers technology innovation

>> While this flexibility could cause problems for the software ecosystem...

"While" is doing some incredible heavy lifting. It is not enough to be able to run Ubuntu, as may be sufficient for embedded applications, but to also be fast. Thusly, there are many hardcoded software optimizations just for a CPU, let alone ARM or x86. For RISC-V? Good luck coding up every permutation of an extension that exists, and even if it's lumped as RVA23, good luck parsing through 100 different "performance optimization manuals" from 100 different companies.

> How mature is the software ecosystem?

10 years ago, when RISC-V was invented, the founders said 20 years. 10 years later, I say 30 years.

The nature of hardware as well, is that the competition (ARM) is not stationary as well. The reason for ARM's dominance now is the failure of Intel, and the strong-arming of Apple.

I have worked in and on RISC-V chips for a number of years, and while I am still a believer that it is the theoretical end state, my estimates just feel like they're getting longer and longer.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/anthropic-weighs-building-i...

ddtaylor•3m ago
I stopped listening to what Canonical says. They often get involved in things and disturb the ecosystem then abandon stuff or dig a "not invented here" hole.

Unity, Bazaar, Mir, Upstart, Snap, etc.

All of them had existing well established projects they attempted to uproot for no purpose other than Canonical wanted more control but they can't actually operate or maintain that control.

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