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White House staff told not to place bets on prediction markets

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgld65x396go
94•chrischapman•2h ago

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113•1h ago
Whew! Glad that's sorted.
mechoblast•1h ago
Surely half millions on prediction markets is pennies compared to what is getting made on oil futures/stocks.
enoint•1h ago
You’d think so, but these types of people are afraid of stocks or options and find prediction websites easier to use.
Tangurena2•1h ago
It is easier for the SEC to investigate futures, stocks & options. Some of the prediction/gambling markets use crypto and do not participate in "Know Your Customer" regulations.
derwiki•1h ago
They’re doing money transmission and they’re not doing KYC? Is that illegal or “really frowned upon”?
skippyboxedhero•5m ago
It is far easier in crypto. It is much more difficult in futures...as the case of a recent repeat Presidential candidate showed.

That will change when people realise crypto isn't anonymous...but that day isn't today.

rf15•56m ago
Honestly not that big a difference here. Both can be loosely interpreted as gambling, especially with the same rough upsides (money without production or consumption!) downsides (addiction, critical existence failure of all your savings) and the corruption and perverse incentives they invite.
Havoc•1h ago
It’s laughable that it’s even necessary to tell them.

Hey don’t abuse privileged workplace information for personal gain isn’t exactly a fresh notion.

Imagine if professionals like lawyers and accountants operated like that.

tdeck•17m ago
Consider the kind of people who would staff this white house.
whywhywhywhy•4m ago
It's bipartisan, just look at Pelosi's portfolio.
asHqt14•1h ago
It is understandable that they require coaching on this issue when betting markets are being deregulated and Trump Jr. is invested in Polymarket.
p-o•1h ago
I'm sure it's a preventive measure and no one placed bets to enrich themselves in the last 12 months...
mcs5280•1h ago
*unless they give the big guy a 50% cut
josefresco•1h ago
Investor highlights for each platform:

Kalshi: Sequoia Capital, Paradigm, Andreessen Horowitz (a16z), Y Combinator, Charles Schwab, Henry Kravis (KKR), and CapitalG (Alphabet).

Polymarket: Intercontinental Exchange (ICE - parent of the NYSE), Founders Fund (Peter Thiel), Vitalik Buterin, and 1789 Capital (Donald Trump Jr.).

PredictIt: Primarily supported by Aristotle International (a political tech firm) and historically Victoria University of Wellington.

Donald Trump Jr.: Prominent investor in Polymarket through his firm, 1789 Capital, and serves as a paid strategic advisor to Kalshi.

The current CFTC Chairman, Michael Selig, created a 35-member panel to draft new regulations for prediction markets. This panel includes the CEOs of the platforms they regulate, such as Shayne Coplan (Polymarket) and Tarek Mansour (Kalshi).

tdeck•19m ago
These companies were blatant about operating illegally in the US. I remember being shocked to see the live billboard polymarket ads in Philadelphia on the eve of the election. I guess there are too many scandals these days for this to stand out.
twelvedogs•1h ago
Only the top guys are allowed to do insider trading! You guys are making it very very slightly more obvious!!
ahartmetz•1h ago
Does that include friends and cousins? Asking for a friend or cousin.
exabrial•59m ago
While we’re at it, how about all Congress?
adabyron•53m ago
You need to apply it to staff as well and also the judicial branch and all of their staff. Then to all of their family as well.

The way I understand insider trading is usually prosecuted is you find out who made the bet & then you have to track down their communications to see if they got tipped off.

coldpie•14m ago
There is currently a bill proposed to do that (for stocks, not prediction market betting, but eh it's a start): https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr5106

It currently has 99 Democratic sponsors and 33 Republican sponsors. It will probably not make it out of committee. 2 of the 4 Democrats on the committee have sponsored it; 0 of the 8 Republicans have.

bcjdjsndon•54m ago
When you elect a bunch of TV wannabes to run your country this is what happens.
keviniam•52m ago
I don't understand why anybody without access to serious inside information is currently betting on prediction markets. It's clear that insiders are absolutely going to eat your lunch. So who are the suckers who are losing all this money?

I guess this isn't true for all things you might bet on, but it seems to be true for a lot of them.

ceejayoz•51m ago
> So who are the suckers who are losing all this money?

Random people who saw an ad or their favorite influencer shilling it.

Like when my neighbors started asking me about NFTs.

JKCalhoun•45m ago
Kind of what I was thinking. If it is essentially InsidrBetz.com why bet at all? This is the kind of thing that could (should, anyway) kill the industry.
jack_pp•40m ago
Arrogance / hubris. Some people even if they know it's rigged will believe they know which side the insiders are on
seanalltogether•40m ago
I remember reading something awhile ago in regards to why people were investing in NFTs when it seemed so clear they were a scam. The gist of it was that it's easy to get into cryptocurrency, but it's hard to get out. KYC, taxes, age requirements, currency fees, etc are enough of a barrier that many people would rather just keep those assets in virtual space. Polymarket is the answer to the question "Well what else am I gonna do with this crypto I own"
raincole•37m ago
The same goes for stock market too.

"But we have laws criminalizing insider trading..." the only proper response to this is: hahahaha.

duped•34m ago
People go to casinos despite knowing the house has the edge in games. Gambling is addictive.
vanviegen•29m ago
Yes, but you also know exactly how large that edge is. And it's relatively small.
ceejayoz•26m ago
I suspect most casual gamblers don't know that.
tyjen•31m ago
There's no shortage of people willing to make extremely poor financial decisions on games of chance, it's why gambling was heavily regulated. Visit a casino and witness addiction in-person, it's a sad sight.
finghin•29m ago
Prediction markets are ridiculously diverse so it’s quite a stretch to say that imo.
mothballed•21m ago
Hedging is one rational reason.
simonw•16m ago
The ads for prediction markets on TikTok are aggressive - like (paraphrasing) "this is your new source of passive income and you'd be crazy to miss it" aggressive.
tdeck•12m ago
So basically the standard online scam script for 20+ years but in a TikTok. I remember seeing AdWords text ads in the 2000s for "make $$$ working from home".
skippyboxedhero•7m ago
It is either not being offered in depth by anyone market-maker (part of the answer given the relatively small revenue opportunity) or it is being offered by people who aren't sophisticated enough.

Bookmakers offer markets on events where someone can know the outcome. The difference is that they have tools to prevent adverse selection.

Prediction markets offer none of those protections so the market structure is going to end up being very different (which is already happening, revenue opportunity from politics isn't huge). There are other examples of this around latency arb, market is going to be very different.

Also, I will point out that most insiders are probably going to be losing money too. All that you ever read is the final outcome, you don't read the stuff that happens before. Politics is, generally, not a good market because the actual event is driven by decisions made by people. Election markets are fine but political event markets are not good, even if you have inside information.

feverzsj•46m ago
Isn't that in the law?
cyanydeez•45m ago
If it were in the law, which part of the justice system do you think would be:

1. Capable

2. Desirous of

3. Competently followed

daveguy•39m ago
It is in SEC regulated markets like NYSE and NASDAQ. But prediction markets are grifty garbage. Insider trading laws only apply to regulated markets.

Just about anything to do with crypto is sketchy. I don't know why anyone still messes with it. Maybe they just like propping up Iran's oil tolls, ransomware perps, and shovelling money to Dumpty and his merry band of grifters?

qsort•45m ago
insane they needed to be told
ramon156•34m ago
Naughty! Anyway
steveBK123•28m ago
And how about friends & family without official roles, congressional appointment process approvals, etc who just.. happen to be around a lot and involved in a lot of stuff?
jeffwask•27m ago
Please don't do insider trading. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
nevi-me•20m ago
Reminds me of our President (SA) asking his colleagues to sign a pledge not to do corruption; when there's already a swearing in that does the same thing.
MikeNotThePope•25m ago
“Do as I say, not as I do.”
josefritzishere•24m ago
It is trully pathetic that this needs to be said.
MyHonestOpinon•21m ago
Aside from the current horrible admnistracion. If I understand correctly, One of the strengths of prediction markets is to try to get the insiders to come in and provide insider information thus improving the total info available.
dwaltrip•17m ago
One of the weaknesses is incentivizing people to do horrible things, if that makes their bet a wining one.
qsera•9m ago
It also incentivize people to follow the events and remember stuff so that they are better equipped to make predictions.

I think it incentivize people to use their head and may be even select better leaders.

qsera•11m ago
I think the proper thing to do would be to forbid these markets to make bets on stuff that can be won by using only insider information.
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