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Swiss authorities want to reduce dependency on Microsoft

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-ai/swiss-authorities-want-to-reduce-dependency-on-microsoft/91280532
141•doener•2h ago

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jandrewrogers•1h ago
Don't we all.
stynbeck•32m ago
Yes we do
fsflover•25m ago
Some of us have already done that.
stephenhuey•1h ago
> This comes as a surprise, as Microsoft 365 was recently installed on some 54,000 administration workstations

Not really surprising. The people Microsoft wined and dined for the contract are not the same people who agree with Thomas Süssli about reducing the dependency. I look forward to seeing them succeed!

givemeethekeys•1h ago
After so many years of EU countries talking, how much has Microsoft's top and bottom line been affected?
nxm•1h ago
Nil
tarrant300•1h ago
Switzerland is not in the EU. That said, if their goal is to get off US big-tech, I feel they're left with Apple for hardware and Google for software, realistically.
lpcvoid•1h ago
What? There's loads of hardware vendors out there. And I'd throw in Linux over google and apple.
londons_explore•1h ago
Even North Korea has it's own OS, network and application suite...

Switzerland could totally be fully computer-independant if they wanted to be.

sisve•1h ago
We move slow. But the clima for change is here now, it's been brewing for a decade or so. Expect Europe to not use more money on US services the next two decade. So with inflation you will really see a significant decline. My 5 cents
mohamedkoubaa•46m ago
None of them care about Microsoft's shareholder value
boondongle•29m ago
I'm still fascinated that Ukraine has been going on since 2014 and the EU has spent more time and air trying to go after US industries than Russian ones or Chinese. You'd think the US had actually captured Greenland.

Anyway I get it - just, odd to think about. Passion accounts for a lot.

karmakurtisaani•1h ago
Simply replacing Excel will be a massive challenge.

I root for it, but it will be difficult.

rolph•1h ago
LibreOffice Calc: Free Spreadsheet Software for Windows, Mac, and Linux

https://en.libre-office.fr/article.php/libreoffice-calc-free...

give it a go. Ive never had problems for my use case.

cookiengineer•19m ago
> LibreOffice Calc

Mentioning libreoffice as competitor to Excel and Access is like you haven't understood the market, at all.

Excel is a cross department business automation database, which can sync/pull/push datasets across filesystems and networks.

VBA is the single most used language in Enterprise because it allows to automate pretty much any financial workflow. And more importantly: automated by non-programmers.

Libreoffice is made for private users, and that's not the same users that VBA powered office documents have.

Waterluvian•1h ago
I feel like Excel is their one true moat. Everything else is a business play, but Excel is the only truly superior tech compared to the alternatives.
embedding-shape•1h ago
Besides just being everywhere and being ubiquitous (which isn't really a "tech benefit" anyways) what exactly makes Excel "truly superior tech compared to the alternatives"?
Waterluvian•1h ago
There’s a lot of features. I think the one I would present is the enormously complex backwards compatibility support. Companies run on .xls / .xlsx files even if developers are offended by how they use and share them.

I think a lot of “just use Libre Office” arguments are much like “just use Linux.” There’s a deep misunderstanding of what the value is with Excel. Being technically equivalent with features scores very few points.

cwnyth•37m ago
I've never experienced any compatibility issues with XLS(X) in LibreOffice Calc, and I've been Windows-free for over a decade. Sure, some spreadsheets might have unique functions in it, but I doubt that's the case for the majority over people using Excel.

I'd also argue that Excel is holding back businesses. Instead of storing information in CSVs (for R or Python processing) or SQL, people rely on it when they shouldn't. It's not just that developers dislike Excel, it's that using it frequently causes huge errors:

https://theconversation.com/the-reinhart-rogoff-error-or-how...

esseph•15m ago
[delayed]
happygoose•17m ago
not activedirectory as well?
hahajk•1h ago
I managed to convince my org to put up a Grist instance. I now use it for everything I would normally use Sheets for, plus a whole lot more. Row/columnwise permissions, file attachments, multiple views over data, python formulas...

It's a db not a spreadsheet but it's basically the tool I actually needed when I would reach for excel.

HiPhish•38m ago
Excel is the most widely used document format, database, software runtime, GUI framework and note taking app. It gives Emacs a run for its money in how much you can abuse and overuse one application.
tahoeskibum•1h ago
Thirty years after Windows 95? How about focusing on AI or Starlink to reduce dependence now?
pojntfx•1h ago
For AI: https://www.swiss-ai.org/ For Starlink: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb

It's debatable whether there is a need for the latter in Switzerland though. They have maybe the best fiber network in Europe, which far outperforms anything Satellite-based. You'll regularly get 25 Gb/s symmetrical on residential connections: https://sschueller.github.io/posts/the-free-market-lie/

aucisson_masque•1h ago
Lol, starlink in Switzerland ?

They got the best fiber and the cheapest. They'd laugh at starlink.

JumpCrisscross•34m ago
> starlink in Switzerland ?

I know a lot of people with Starlink in Schweiz. It's a mountainous country with a strong tradition of outdoorsmanship. From a military preparedness perspective, you're not guiding munitions with terrestrial fibre.

bdangubic•55m ago
starlink in switzerland is like trying to sell hershey to ferrero :)
prmoustache•7m ago
Ferrero is Italian.

maybe you wanted to say Lindt & Sprüngli or Cailler (now part of Nestlé).

pojntfx•1h ago
For anyone interested in the current state of things in Switzerland, there is this handy map of which Swiss municipalities are dependent on Microsoft/the US right now: https://mxmap.ch/
1over137•1h ago
Cool map! MX as in mail exchanger. For something as easy (for IT pros at least) as email, that map should be all green!
arcza•39m ago
Not easy at all.

Think about integrating calendars, corporate contacts (from AD), handling RSVP replies said mx server receives and updating the calendar server, securely deal with modern auth (+ legacy krb5 auth, yuk). It's a huge hassle and everything except Exchange only handles 80% of this.

Modern expectations now want: web clients (OWA), todo lists, integrated storage (SP/OneDrive), and push notifications to any phone from any vendor.

So yeah, the only on prem solution is still Exchange.

dethos•11m ago
Nice. I wonder how hard it would be to take the open-source code of the project and adapt it to other countries.
Cider9986•52m ago
Go for it, I'd say. Switzerland is a fascinating country, they lead in many areas. Zermatt, for example is a wonderful town with no cars.
eps•46m ago
Zermatt is a ski resort for wealthy foreign tousrists, accessible only by train. But, yeah, it has no cars.
mirekrusin•23m ago
Direct democracy instead of a cult of showman.
m463•41m ago
Doesn't everyone? ads, microsoft account required, undefeatable telemetry, and all wrapped up in dark patterns and bad user interfaces (perennial microsoft).
Ifkaluva•23m ago
I feel like this general story “x European country wants to reduce dependency on Microsoft” comes up at least once a year.

How do they usually turn out? I have heard Germany/France/? switching to LibreOffice or Linux for some government sector, but I suspect they quietly switch back.

prmoustache•9m ago
The whole gendarmerie in France switched more than 2 decades ago first to libreoffice (was openoffice in earlier days) then to their own ubuntu fork.

But it worked well because it is military, they can manage long term projects without too much external interference and there is zero friction (if the head decides, the rest follows without asking).

In regular public administration, decisions can easily be overturned depending on results of each elections and it is uncommon to face internal sabotage.

ozim•5m ago
Recent events make it quite clear that this time it is going to be different.

It was like you described earlier. Last year and this year it is basically cumulating over multiple countries.

Swiss people are very upset with what is going on with their military spending in US. I do believe they will be serious about all other purchases from US.

throwfus•16m ago
Sooner Europeans boycott US companies the better. US is as rogue state as Russia and China
slowhadoken•11m ago
Microsoft is getting creepy. OneDrive has surpassed McAfee as most aggressive proprietary virus.
bilekas•6m ago
Everyone does, Microslops business policy doesn't align with most governments.

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