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Apple, Intel have reached preliminary chip-making deal

https://www.reuters.com/business/apple-intel-have-reached-preliminary-chip-making-deal-wsj-reports-2026-05-08/
85•scrlk•1h ago

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torben-friis•1h ago
Wasn't the whole apple silicon thing about Intel being unable to keep up?

Is this maybe a way to expand the affordable neo line?

NetMageSCW•1h ago
It was about x64 being unable to keep up - independent of Intel’s Fab capabilities which have improved lately.

Also, the NEO line uses cutting edge technology that is necessary for the iPhone SOC, so this is probably for other chips.

tambourine_man•41m ago
Intel has been deemed a national security asset. Essential infrastructure.

The government (both current and previous administrations) is doing everything it can to make sure they do keep up, at the very least. And with enough money being thrown at it, they probably will.

boplicity•16m ago
Also keep in mind that none of the big chip purchasers (Apple, Nvidia, etc), want to depend on one supplier for their chips. There are huge incentives among them to encourage Intel's success.

Nobody benefits if just one company controls the state of the art in chip manufacturing, and Intel is one of maybe two other companies positioned to have a chance at competing effectively with TSMC.

NetMageSCW•1h ago
Paywall
JoshTriplett•59m ago
Seemed to load just fine here.
Simulacra•57m ago
I am also getting a paywall. Subscribe to read more.
xiaoyu2006•56m ago
Reuters usually don't have paywalls, and neither I am experience one here.
addaon•50m ago
I believe that both of those statements are true. Nonetheless, I and other posters are experiencing one here and can't read the article. Your valid anecdote does not help us.
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xnx•56m ago
Would love to see this mean the return of Bootcamp, but that's probably gone forever.
vsgherzi•50m ago
Boot camp is a windows problem. This can be done today on apple silicon but Microsoft dosent want to go through the effort to support it.
bpoyner•37m ago
I imagine it would be a big lift. Asahi linux is managing through reverse engineering the hardware support, without any official documentation. Even with official documentation it would be a significant change from other aarch64 hardware.
riffic•52m ago
another triumph for x86
ion1c•49m ago
This is a fab deal, nothing to do with x86
01100011•49m ago
> The Journal report said that the U.S. government, which became Intel's largest shareholder last year under a deal with its CEO Lip-Bu Tan, played a major role in bringing Apple to the negotiating table.

Ah, so this wasn't a decision Apple freely made based on technical merits. Instead it sounds more like big government and a fancy stock manipulation scheme.

My guess, Apple drags their feet for a couple years and bails after Trump leaves office(or is significantly weakened after the midterms).

oaiey•42m ago
Or use it to de-risk their supply chain.
01100011•21m ago
Then why did the USG need to get involved to bring AAPL to the table?

Sure, supply chain redundancy is good, but that wasn't enough to get AAPL interested before.

tester756•16m ago
>big government and a fancy stock manipulation scheme.

What's wrong with US gov caring about supply chain and manufacturing capability of the most needed technology right there - on American soil?

It is in US' interest to be able to produce such complex tech locally

ahartmetz•14m ago
Yes, it's called industrial policy and it can work very well.
newsclues•10m ago
The issue for some is the driving force is military, to secure their supply chain to kill people.
gavinsyancey•48m ago
Is this Intel Foundry Services fabbing apple-designed chips, or Apple using Intel-designed chips in their products? I would assume the former but don't see where in the article it says either way.
tantalor•40m ago
Apple designed chips, manufactured by Intel.
tambourine_man•40m ago
Former, for sure
saltcured•38m ago
How many more economic cycles until Intel is asking Apple to fab Intel-designed chips?
wtallis•16m ago
Even if we make the not-particularly-reasonable assumption that Apple would want to own a fab, and the wildly unreasonable assumption that they would accept any outside customers for the fab: building a fab business from scratch to something competitive would take on the order of a decade or more even for a company with Apple's resources. And if Apple bought somebody else's fab business, it seems most likely that it would be Intel's and there would no longer be an Intel do design chips that would be in search of a foundry. (Intel has the only relevant logic fab business that could plausibly end up getting sold off to the likes of Apple.)
saltcured•6m ago
Yes, I suppose I was imagining the weird transition like AMD did when they split off Global Foundries. Imagine the remaining Intel being a chip designer like AMD. For someone of my age, it seems both incomprehensible and somehow inevitable. Crazy leadership choices seem to be happening so often in recent years.

Honestly, I found it hard to understand why they abandoned RAM and solid state memory fab sectors too. With all the national security spending by DoD, DoE, etc., I would have thought there is room for some US-based business to remain, even if some of the mass consumer stuff has been lost to low margin international competitors.

whynotminot•37m ago
Big deal, smart for all parties, really. Apple standards will make Intel step up and become a better foundry partner.

Apple will gain increasingly needed diversification.

US supply chain gets a boost.

Should be fine for TSMC in the short to medium term. Apple not going to risk actual mainline iPhone SoC on Intel any time soon, so lion share of TSMC Apple revenue will be fine.

rvz•30m ago
Intel was not "allowed" to fail. (But Spirit Airlines was) and now the stock is at an all time high.

It was only 9 months ago [0] that almost everyone here was bearish (not me [1]). Now it is the opposite.

Next we will here some folks wishing they should have joined Intel when it was $20 a share.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44675965

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44676641

jauntywundrkind•29m ago
Intel seems far & away the best at chiplet right now. Foveros, EIMB, etc, and possible Z-Angle next... Intel seems way ahead. They're trying to get to 12x reticle size in 2028, and doing it super smartly (eimb). https://bsky.app/profile/ogawa-tadashi.bsky.social/post/3mld...

That alone is a strong reason for Apple to show up. Apple has some pretty wild patents on chiplet System-on-Chip designs! https://bsky.app/profile/ogawa-tadashi.bsky.social/post/3mi7...

ahartmetz•25m ago
This is really nice for competition in semiconductor manufacturing. The TSMC quasi-monopoly (with Samsung fabs slightly lagging) and limited capacity is not good for the market. Owning leading edge fabs might also help Intel to keep up the competition in the x86 market. Intel is the underdog now!
lizknope•3m ago
There are no details in the article.

It is probably a second source deal for a popular chip or a support chip in an older process node like a power converter.

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