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Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

https://apnews.com/article/ai-college-commencement-anxiety-boo-35aec9bac660eaeb05c5b8d392db2cac
71•1vuio0pswjnm7•49m ago

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brcmthrowaway•36m ago
College students are cooked for entry level work.

I'm guessing there will soon be a government mandate requiring some percentage of NCGs to be hired, similar to India and other countries with huge cohorts.

delecti•28m ago
Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff level engineers, and nothing else. If I'm having this much trouble with staff level experience, I can't imagine how new grads are doing.
sheikhnbake•25m ago
Not great. There's so much competition for so few entry-level positions.
Joel_Mckay•11m ago
Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year.

These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started:

https://www.aerotek.com/

Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet of Ads for awful jobs, scams, and AI datasets.

Best of luck, =3

mkw5053•19m ago
I believe Anthropic has stopped hiring junior and mid eng. So if they're an indication of what's the come (or is already here)
Joel_Mckay•6m ago
They are a business, and not an outreach program.

Note NVIDIA is engaged in questionable operations that must end... sooner or later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbJDrL6ZfM

Unfortunately, the economic fallout will impact kids hardest. =3

ethanplant•32m ago
I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos.

Everyone, and especially new grads constantly hear that AI is going to replace every job. And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?”

Of course people are going to react negatively when they hear, “the machines are going to take your jobs from you. No, we don’t care how you’ll be able to pay your rent or put food on the table”.

dfxm12•29m ago
The executive class is out of touch with normal society.
nephihaha•29m ago
They're baffled maybe because they stand to benefit, whereas most of the audience won't.
mbgerring•24m ago
The people who are faced with this question are so far removed from the idea that losing your job means not being able to eat or pay rent that it seems pointless to ask them.

Whenever I try to get serious answers to this question I get far-future projections about how much better people’s lives will be in the aggregate, at some point in the future, on the assumption that their baseless, faith-based projections about AI materialize.

They literally do not care if their own neighbors starve, or become homeless, or lose any ability to plan their own lives more than a few days in advance.

This is the predictable result of the deep inculcation of spreadsheet-based “utilitarianism,” frequently paired with heavy drug use and paranoia-inducing science fiction horror stories, that certain communities of Bay Area tech workers were exposed to (inducted into, groomed into, whatever word you want to use) in the last decade or so.

This toxic soup taught many people that individual lives literally do not matter when weighed against the importance of creating AGI. This set of beliefs already has a body count, and it will grow before this train crashes.

vitally3643•9m ago
The "I got mine, fuck you" mindset is genuinely going to be the death of the USA. It's genuinely astonishing how many people are willing to burn everything including their own house to spite random strangers.
mkw5053•21m ago
Especially after the first 1-2 got booed, you'd think those that had them scheduled later would have done another pass on their draft...

Or better yet, reflected on their world view and the reception.

Mordisquitos•18m ago
> I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos.

Absolutely, I just made a similar comment before I saw yours. In fact, I would argue that the headline is also arguably burying the lede on commencement speakers believing that their AI pep talk speeches will be well-received by students. The newsworthy item is 'Man Bites Dog', not 'Vet Treats Bitten Dog'.

water-data-dude•17m ago
Why aren't grads more pumped about an exciting career as an organ donor?
bryan0•16m ago
> Schmidt offered a similar message to graduates: Their fear is rational, but they have the power to shape how AI develops.

This doesn't sound like being baffled by it. It sounds like they are trying to shake the students and say: "fine boo, but you need do something about it." You can't just wallow and complain about it. I mean you can but it's a path to failure.

weard_beard•13m ago
CEOs: “Do something about it.”

Luigi Mangione: …

CEOs: “Not like that…

I’m not suggesting that it’s a good response. I’m suggesting that this interpretation of what CEOs are saying is wrong.

GrinningFool•4m ago
What chances do the vast majority of those graduates have to shape what's happening? That happens at exec level at the largest companies. Everyone else gets to produce or consume what they decide on.
neksn•16m ago
> And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?”

I don’t see why the people being booed should be responsible for answering this question. How many such questions did the inventor of the tractor have to answer?

sidewndr46•16m ago
One thing I've observed in general that certain peoples jobs are to be out of touch. If they were fully in touch with societal opinions they'd probably self censor. By being out of touch they do things that others would consider taboo and create business opportunities for the company.
littlexsparkee•10m ago
the economic system rewards depravity - the more constraints you self-impose, the fewer opportunities for profit
slg•16m ago
The problem here is more capitalism than AI. If AI ends up being truly as beneficial as all the enthusiasts are predicting, that value could go to making all our lives better, but we have created an economic and political system that ensures it won’t. That extra value will be captured by stockholders of the AI companies and go mostly to people who are already rich. So why should anyone who isn’t already invested in AI be optimistic about things? Even the ideal use case doesn’t benefit them.
seanhunter•14m ago
Also why on earth did they think this was a good topic for a commencement speech? A commencement speech is about “congratulations on your achievement - the world is now your oyster. The education you have worked hard for really matters and with a bit of grit and determination, you can go out and forge a better future than old geezers like me can ever imagine.”

Eg This is a frikkin commencement speech https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=2-83hbB1Um5NAQFC

gofreddygo•13m ago
exactly what else do you expect them to do?

They can see peers cheating the system using AI to get ahead, future job prospects, directly affecting time to pay off student loans are being crushed by the AI narrative which is a reminder of how the tuition money is never coming back

and then to have someone come in on commencement day and sing praises of AI just totally shows how tone deaf, blind, and off track the college system really is

fundad•9m ago
It seems to me they are doing this for sympathy. They know how people feel about AI and big tech and do these speeches to repair their reputations, part of that is showing how mean and unfair the youths are to them.
havblue•7m ago
When I was in high school, the guidance counselors never really talked about job headwinds. Those were things that would presumably happen to other kids. The recipient of a motivational speech has infinite potential.

It's the same logic with discussing AI. The audience is the cream of the crop and will adapt to the future and benefit from technology. It's those other kids who didn't get your advice that might have to change careers.

austin-cheney•5m ago
> I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos.

Sales. When you are a sociopath everything is a sales pitch with no introspection. The only inflection point is to guess at when to modify the sales pitch for the next audience.

booleandilemma•31m ago
There is nothing about AI that seems like it's going to have a net positive for humanity. Faster code? Sure. Better chatbots? Sure. Textual analysis? Sure. But the downside, and it's huge, is massive unemployment and societal collapse. Nothing AI brings to the table is worth having an unemployment rate of 25% (or more).

Our society is simply not ready for this. We need to rework things from the ground up, not proceed blindly (which is what we're currently doing), if we want to successfully integrate AI into our lives without massive pain.

jstanley•23m ago
We've done this dozens of times before. In the short term some people suffer and that is bad for them. In the long term everyone is much better off due to increased productivity.
dmbche•20m ago
When is the productivity showing up?
jstanley•19m ago
If productivity doesn't increase then you don't need to worry about displaced workers.
throwaway27448•17m ago
And if productivity does increase, how are we supposed to force the recipients of this productivity to care about the rest of us? It's not like investment has panned out with its promises of general return in any of our lifetimes
happytoexplain•8m ago
Business leaders are not perfectly rational beings.
littlexsparkee•19m ago
everyone? this is pure conjecture and cold comfort for anyone early/mid career
throwaway27448•18m ago
Only if you view productivity as likely to distribute results to society. This has been proven false again and again over the last fifty years, and the k-shaped economic trend seems to be accelerating.
yoyohello13•17m ago
What’s really baffling is the people in charge seem to just expect the suffering people to sit down and take it. That’s probably why they are pushing so hard for the surveillance state.
toasty228•16m ago
> In the long term everyone is much better off due to increased productivity. reply

Do people still believe in these fairy tales lmao? Most of the productivity gains don't go to the workers, pretty much everywhere in the developed world working hours and retirement age are going up, housing affordability is going down. You're not "much better off"

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/HFNnYrqruqvI_-Skg2C7ZYjdcX...

Politicians were selling us the 3 days workweek like 40+ years ago, while shilling for more automated factories, it never happened, it didn't happen with computers, it won't happen with AI

jstanley•12m ago
Then I assume given the choice you would go back to the middle ages?
happytoexplain•9m ago
Exaggerated assumptions of this magnitude are a red flag against the honesty of the position from which you are arguing.
toasty228•6m ago
As if these were the only choices: submit to your AI overlords or become a peasant. What a lack of imagination...
rybosworld•15m ago
> We've done this dozens of times before.

No, we really haven't. Every previous wave of automation has targeted human labor.

The thing that makes human's unique in the animal kingdom is our intelligence. From an economic stand point, that's the thing that makes people valuable.

When that's automated, what is there left? Onlyfans?

monknomo•8m ago
hardly, onlyfans is going to have loads of competitions from ai waifus
pesus•14m ago
I'd love for everyone justifying and hand waving the suffering of others to quit their jobs, give up their assets, and join in on the suffering. If it's really worth it for the "increased productivity", they should have no problem doing so. After all, they'll be much better off in the end, right?
hello_moto•14m ago
short-term?

how about 100 years?

> Beginning in Great Britain around 1760, the Industrial Revolution had spread to continental Europe and the United States by about 1840

You know what else happened during that 100-200 years time frame? 2 Wars + Governments decided to step in and rebuild post-war. Governments tax the rich/elite by 90%.

You know what else happened? workers being punished physically and mentally until the formation of Unions.

You skipped a big chunk of The Ruling Class always exploit everybody else like what we're seeing right now: Tech CEOs laying off and not hiring.

History repeats again.

Are our productivity increase for the better? People are still working overtime because of reduced worker's protection today.

happytoexplain•13m ago
Every time, the people suffering are correct to revolt, and the people trying to repress them are incorrect to repress them, from the perspective of human beings.

Every time, the "increased productivity" is inevitable, but that is not the same as better off. None of these changes has been 100% positive, even in the long run, and this one is shaping up to be the most disappointing of them all in that dimension.

Inevitable != purely good.

You can be pragmatic and give a shit about humans at the same time. It's not a puzzle.

bawolff•8m ago
> None of these changes has been 100% positive, even in the long run,

Personally i do in fact think we are better off (in the long term) because of e.g. the industrial revolution.

Short term, it was horrific, but i'd still rather live now than as a peasent in the mid-1700s.

I'd be intersted in hearing a counter argument from anyone who disagrees, as its hard for me to imagine.

happytoexplain•8m ago
I said 100%. Not on average. Billions of humans are more complicated than that. We can be elevated in some ways while being degraded in others.

I.e. progress is not free, and some costs last forever, they are not only up-front. Ignoring the costs is deadly.

dakiol•12m ago
Who cares about productivity? Your CEO. Not you, not me. We all cannot be CEOs.
pesus•6m ago
Related: productivity has greatly increased over the last ~75 years, but wages have not increased anywhere near the same amount[0]. There is no reason for anyone besides CEOs (or similar positions) to care about productivity.

[0]: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

palmotea•28m ago
Those kids are crazy. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, how could they not be excited and enthusiastic about the future? Most of them will no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (i.e. lower ones).

It's a win-win for everyone. The lower prices enabled by automation allow them to stretch their savings or inheritance further before its exhausted.

perching_aix•25m ago
@palmotea: Doesn't matter. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, or nearly so. Most of those kids are no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (lower ones).

Who's gonna buy the products and services provided by automated labor? What will prevent a hyperinflation, making savings evaporate? Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this?

ipython•22m ago
how do you... earn those savings in the first place? (or am I missing a /s somewhere?)
littlexsparkee•17m ago
i read it as sarcastic, too cheeky not to be
sbarre•18m ago
> The lower prices enabled by automation

LOL

In the modern digital era, technological efficiencies and disruption have almost always led to rent-seeking monopolies, regulatory capture to prevent competition and enshittification leading to higher prices for end users.

Mordisquitos•25m ago
What I found surprising of the couple of video examples I've seen was not the students' reactions; those were completely predictable. Rather, what most stood out to me was the absolute detachment displayed by the speakers in believing that the students would like to hear their dystopian AI maximalism, and their inability to read the room and understand the reaction from the audience.
rybosworld•21m ago
Executives of these tech companies keep saying the automation of intelligence will drive job creation because previous waves of automation did the same.

To anyone with a brain, that is obviously not true.

If AI continues to improve at the pace that it has been, why would anyone hire a human to do the thinking? Human intelligence will be orders of magnitude more expensive, and much slower...

The tech executives know this and they actually just do not care. The reason they are saying it will drive job creation is just to temporarily keep worker anxiety levels to a minimum.

To be clear, I am not claiming that all human work will be automated away soon. Just that a huge portion of it will be.

bawolff•13m ago
> If AI continues to improve at the pace that it has been, why would anyone hire a human to do the thinking?

Sure, but that is the big if, right? It seems unlikely to me that AI will continue at this rate indefinitely. Every technology eventually hits limits.

seanw444•10m ago
> To be clear, I am not claiming that all human work will be automated away soon. Just that a huge portion of it will be.

You don't even need to be a believer in the technology to be concerned. All that matters is that the people with all the money perceive some positive outcome for their wallets from all this investment and AI hype. That is where they'll put their money. Whether or not it ends bad or good. The economy has been reshaped around a hope. Either the hope is false and the economy tanks, or the hope is realized and jobs disappear. Lose-lose.

throwaway27448•19m ago
Who thought it was a good idea to involve AI into a commencement speech? Talk about showing contempt to the graduates!
analog31•12m ago
Who thought it was a good idea to invite a billionaire?
joezydeco•8m ago
There's a bit of hypocrisy going on as well. Are you sure 100% of those kids in the crowd never touched AI to help them with an assignment or fake their way through a homework?

The feeling I get right now is that we're happy to use the assist when necessary, but hate being told it will replace you completely.

jcranmer•19m ago
I know a lot of people are going to focus on the employment issue for new graduates, but there's another dimension to consider: this group of students is going to be the first group who have gone through all of college with the enhanced cheating power of LLMs. The majority of people graduating will either have used LLMs to cheat on some classes, or at least known someone who did so. Which incidentally also means that they have a much better idea than the speakers do about how good these AI tools at the variety of tasks someone in an entry-level role might be expected to do. It is also worth noting that Gen Z in general is the most skeptical of the generations of the utility of AI.
dakiol•14m ago
People are not idiots. AI benefits only the ones at the top of the chain, and the 10% of the rest of us. Are you in the top 10%? No, you typically are in the bottom 90%. So we don't want AI, we don't want the top getting richer at our expenses. We just want a job to bring bread home and keeping pushing our store while being "happy". You take that away from us, just so you can double your net worth, and well, bad things will start to happen
evil-olive•12m ago
> “I know what many of you are feeling about that. I can hear you,” Schmidt responded as the boos continued. “There is a fear in your generation that the future has already been written, that the machines are coming, that the jobs are evaporating … and I understand that fear.”

71 year old man with a net worth of $64 billion [0] tells a bunch of 20-somethings (many of whom have tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that they will need to start repaying soon) that he understands how they feel.

yeah, I can't imagine why he got a hostile response from the crowd...

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt

jdw64•11m ago
>It felt like a big advertisement. It felt like the longest Gemini ad ever

If anything, this incident might just inspire Eric Schmidt to cut even more entry-level data processing jobs and deploy a few extra agents to automate them

monknomo•9m ago
Commencements are about the students, and celebrating their hard work and achievements over several years.

A common thread in these commencements with booing is that the speaker is not centering the student. They're centering AI, and talking about AI's potential, which is, at best, orthogonal to the student's potential, and possibly actively detrimental. Small wonder

everyone•8m ago
In theory more automation = less drudge work for humans, so its great. But in practice, in corrupt societies, elites reap all the benefits while the lower classes eat all the downsides.

The thing is though, this is not a tech problem, it's a society problem. Elites will use literally any technology from any era to do the same thing. It's been the case for 1000's of years, even Romans had factories and slave powered mega-farms for example.

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