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Apparently Google hates us now

https://twitter.com/pokemoncentral/status/2057123807404638250
101•zeitg3ist•52m ago

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clacker-o-matic•41m ago
oof that sucks; i really wish there was more info on why google decides to crawl or not crawl a page
drcongo•39m ago
https://xcancel.com/pokemoncentral/status/205712380740463825...
scrollop•18m ago
Thank you
pcdavid•6m ago
This might be useful: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/toxcancel (Redirects to xcancel.com (a mirror of x) when the browser is about to load an x.com page).
echelon•37m ago
Pokemon Central runs ads (Google AdSense at that!), which is probably how they pay for everything.

Google is likely their biggest inbound source of traffic, so they're probably experiencing a marked revenue drop as well.

It's unfortunate that so many livelihoods are subject to the capricious whims of a single company. A company that is increasingly seeking to keep users on their engine without sending eyeballs or revenue to any third parties at all.

We're watching Google's "embrace-extend-extinguish" arc for the web. It's not over by a long shot, but they absolutely intend to finish the job.

spiderfarmer•31m ago
It’s why I moved to in-house advertising. It’s a lot of work, but I hope it is the right decision.
righthand•14m ago
Why is it a lot of work? Could you specify some off the more difficult effort? Wouldn’t LLMs help speed this up? This is the one area where I’d think Llms could really take Google down by empowering in house ad platforms.
vrganj•27m ago
Hi EU. How about one of those lovely anti-trust cases?
pkaye•18m ago
Its better off if ads go away. Just use ad blockers.
zeitg3ist•13m ago
We would like the wiki to be free of ads, but hosting costs at our scale are real. Since we don’t like ads either, we compromise like this: users can register for free and never see an ad (they are only served to anonymous visitors); they can also use an ad blocker and we won’t bug them about it.
frouge•23m ago
I can even tell you that Google hates us all
georgemcbay•8m ago
Google neither hates nor loves any of us, the only thing it cares about as an institution is cramming as many advertisements in front of as many people as it can get away with to generate increasingly ridiculous piles of money.

This is not meant to be a defense of Google, which is (like virtually every large corporation) completely sociopathic.

logicchains•5m ago
All large companies are sociopaths, but few tech companies treat their paying customers with the level of contempt that Google does.
ChrisArchitect•20m ago
Title could be: Apparently Google hates Pokémon Central Wiki now
m4tthumphrey•15m ago
No, I think "us" is apt, considering this will eventually affect all sites that rely on traffic from Google search, which is basically every text heavy site.

All we can hope for is that people will stop using search (after eventually having enough of the AI wave) for these sort of niche sites and will bookmark and access them directly in future. I don't have much hope.

p4bl0•11m ago
The same thing happened with my blog a few weeks ago. It was well referenced for years and suddenly almost all of my entries are not indexed anymore. The Search Console indicates that the URLs were crawled but are currently not indexed, and contrary to technical problems, there nothing I can do to fix it, I just have to accept that most of my articles cannot be found via Google anymore.
hungryhobbit•11m ago
They're a wiki. Wiki spammers are relentless now.

Source: a small wiki I help manage, for an obscure game with <10k players, recently had to disable new signups, because the spam was so bad (and it was stuck on an old version of MediaWiki, which didn't have CAPTCHA-support).

On a popular wiki, and it sounds like this one was fairly popular, I imagine even CAPTCHA's won't be enough to stop wiki spammers. If those spammers were posting more than just "buy my penis pill" garbage (e.g. they were putting links to malware sites), Google probably, and somewhat legitimately, saw them as a source of such malware.

I imagine the fix for the OP is a thorough audit/cleansing of all malicious content on the wiki, followed by some sort of appeal to Google (which will no doubt take months, if they even respond at all, because ... Google).

Really OP's only hope is that the Google team responsible for this has an Italian Pokemon fan; otherwise they are probably screwed.

righthand•9m ago
Social sites should have all have a tree-based invite system. This would allow wiping out spammers and their enablers in a single hit. It would allow vetting of good actors too.
charliebwrites•7m ago
That’s literally how Facebook started

I remember begging my older step brother for an invite since he had the college email to get in

CalRobert•5m ago
Interesting to compare this site and lobste.rs for that
zeitg3ist•4m ago
We have very good anti-bot system set up with a good number of Cloudflare fine-tuned rules, limited permissions for newly created accounts, and a very dedicated team of volunteers that patrol the recent edits constantly. I cannot exclude that somewhere on a rarely visited page (out of 37k+) there is a spam link, but I doubt it’s the reason for the deindexing. I think this would also appear on the Google Search Console.
marginalia_nu•10m ago
To be honest it's probably just jank on Google's end.

There's a lot of delayed cause and effect in search, and it's much easier to make a minor mistake that excludes 0.1% of websites from crawling or indexing than it is to detect that it's happened except from affected websites telling you about it.

cess11•9m ago
Perhaps they're decommissioning search in favor of LLM:s.
arikrahman•6m ago
This aligns with their Google Zero doctrine, keep all info internal and make the goal for the user to hit 0 external websites.

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