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Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Arabia and the UAE

https://www.alqst.org/ar/posts/1190
212•giuliomagnifico•1h ago

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skeledrew•50m ago
Well, it's that or the accounts get removed completely. Sometimes you have to pick your fight, and this doesn't look like one that's worth it.
p-e-w•46m ago
Not true, there’s a third option: Stop operating in those countries. Which used to be a common choice for tech companies, until it somehow became unthinkable for some reason.
strictnein•44m ago
Is it better for human rights for a channel of communication to exist only if every single person can use it? Or is it a net positive for these communication channels to exist, albeit in an imperfect form?
p-e-w•37m ago
Communication channels like Meta are a strict negative for human rights everywhere (including in the West), because they funnel all communication into a single channel that is easy to surveil and censor.
microtonal•40m ago
Meta has also been regularly nuking/blocking rights-related accounts in countries that do support human rights.

E.g. in The Netherlands. First they did a mass block last December, then again in April:

https://www.at5.nl/artikelen/237924/meta-verwijdert-instagra...

Some were reinstated again, but not all and not after they have been offline for to long.

p-e-w•35m ago
The Netherlands supports precisely those human rights that aren’t inconvenient for them. Just like every other country. There is no fundamental distinction here.
genghisjahn•26m ago
I don't know if everything in the book "Careless People" is accurate, but there's a lot of quoted emails saying that this is all part of Meta's playbook.
ZetsuBouKyo•39m ago
Operating in these countries helps gather information in them.
ReptileMan•24m ago
It's called shareholders. When you need a single person with a single share to be able to sue the company for not doing its fiduciary duty that is the result.
tejohnso•5m ago
Meta is not a political or moral entity, it's a for profit tech company. I don't see why it would be expected to make judgement calls on government requirements. Are we expecting Meta to take a political stance for or against specific policies in every country in which it operates? How would its politics be determined? I think the sensible thing for the corporation to do is to operate as widely as possible and follow the rules where it operates.

Governments suppress information all the time. We know of a huge list of thousands of documents and terabytes of video implicating people in child abuse and as important as that is, we aren't getting all of the information. That's the government position. Redact and suppress. It's up to the people to demand transparency from their government and if they don't demand it and fight for it, they won't get it. Corporations like Meta aren't there to help fight the power.

dfxm12•42m ago
This is a false dichotomy, especially in light of the article mentioning that Twitter hasn't blocked accounts that KSA asked them to block.
chadgpt3•5m ago
The third option is to ignore them and let them block you. In a democracy this causes lots of public outrage and might be reversed. Not sure how it goes in authoritarian monarchies.
graemep•50m ago
The title should read "Saudi Arabia". Cutting a country name in half (unless its an accepted way of abbreviating it) is not a good say of modifying a headline. What is next? Zealand ?
b40d-48b2-979e•47m ago
Arabia existed before the Saudis. It will exist after.
esquivalience•45m ago
Yes, but it means something different to the name of the country. It means a region.
BeetleB•44m ago
Geographically Arabia is more than just Saudi Arabia, so the title is inaccurate.
ImJamal•42m ago
While true, they mentioned another country on the Arabian peninsula so you could assume it is the country.
input_sh•38m ago
The title as it is right now is 79 characters long, the limit is 80.
saghm•27m ago
What about "Meta blocks human rights accounts for audiences in Saudi Arabia and UAE"? I don't think "reaching" adds much to the headline
pronik•36m ago
People say "States" or even US all the time, usually forgetting the other country that has "United States" in their name.
yuppiepuppie•27m ago
> usually forgetting the other country that has "United States" in their name

Mexico?

satiric•36m ago
Looks like the original title is too long for Hackernews
haritha-j•34m ago
Some people I know from Saudi Arabia refer to it as Saudi, so maybe thats the better word? I've never heard anyone call it Arabia.
xinu2020•24m ago
KSA works too and matches UAE pattern.
smashah•23m ago
The title says Arabia because this practice of evil trillion dollar megacorps capitulating to repressive regimes happens across multiple countries recently (UAE & KSA) - just as they did w.r.t Russian accounts in the Epsteinist-occupied EU/UK.
some_furry•49m ago
Disappointing but not surprising. This is what happens when you're a billion dollar company and your ethical bone is tied to "we fully comply with the law". You get compliance by default, even if doing so would exacerbate human rights abuses.
anonym29•48m ago
I look forward to the day that society finally decides to hold Meta (Facebook), Alphabet (Google), Microsoft, Apple etc accountable for their transgressions against humanity.

Some say it will never happen, but they said that about the now-dying tobacco industry, too.

b3lvedere•46m ago
M.A.M.A knows what's best.
chadgpt3•3m ago
Didn't they just lose a huge lawsuit about addictive engineering?
osullish•47m ago
Man f*k Meta, such a scummy company - they're letting go up to 350 staff here in Ireland and advertising it as bottom 10% performers - now not only are people made redundant, but in a small market like here in Ireland they're outed as a poor performers. Screw this scummy company - I wish I could get my friends to stop using WhatsApp
jmye•41m ago
> now not only are people made redundant, but in a small market like here in Ireland they're outed as a poor performers.

I don't know - I've said before, but the bigger red flag to me would be either that they worked for Meta at all, or that they didn't leave of their own accord. Any big tech company pretending someone was let go, as part of a mass lay-off, for performance reasons is generally going to rate as about as truthful as saying it's "because of AI", if I'm looking at hiring.

Not to erase that Meta is an absolutely shitty company run by a literal ghoul enabled by tens of thousands of "people" who are happy to make giving teenage girls depression in return for ad clicks their entire life's work.

microtonal•36m ago
I wish I could get my friends to stop using WhatsApp

I communicate with direct family and many friends through Signal. Don't tell them to replace WhatsApp by Signal. Ask them to install Signal besides WhatsApp.

Both can exist at the same time and this is a route with much less friction and slowly builds the network effect.

smashah•21m ago
Meta (trillion dollar company) also targets 15 year old OSS maintainers with legal threats.
ktm5j•44m ago
Do folks have a suggestion for a Facebook alternative? I'm about fed up with the state of things, but still want to feel connected to social circles (even if they're online only) and politics (ideally without the hate spam bots).
outside1234•40m ago
Bluesky
microtonal•39m ago
Mastodon has been great for me to follow niches I'm interested in.
stvltvs•36m ago
The trick is to get your friends and family to jump ship with you.
dfxm12•35m ago
Group text? Individual texts/calls? Setting up a monthly codenames game or book club, etc.?
thinkingtoilet•32m ago
Genuine human connection. Seriously. I've never had a social media account on any platform and I have plenty of friends and an active social life. I also make the effort to do so. Why do you need facebook? Is it so important to share a photo with strangers? You could text it to a friend if you want to share it. Stop feeding the beast.
tejohnso•30m ago
If you have the option of moving people off of facebook, how about a slack or discord group?

If they won't move off of facebook, I'm not sure there's anything you can do to retain the same level of interaction. Maybe you could allow yourself a reduced level of interaction while still feeling connected. For example, an SMS every couple of days should be plenty enough contact to keep up with any significant events. If you really want to take the reins, you could organise events yourself, ensuring you won't miss them.

latexr•27m ago
Social is where the people are. If you’re using Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family, the only viable alternative is wherever your friends and family are. Chances are it’s going to be impossible to switch everyone (or even most people) over, so you’re stuck if you care about those connections.

Or you can do what I did and simply say “fuck it”. Get rid of your account anyway and deal with the consequences. I don’t even have WhatsApp (because, you know, Facebook) but don’t feel like that’s been a detriment to my social life. The people I care about understand and I see most of them on the regular. SMS and phone calls still work. I do know some people who live abroad that fortunately I can communicate via iMessage, but if that weren’t an option then email would have to do. I've been doing this for over a decade and while there was some friction at first, it’s been long since it has been an issue. It probably helps that these days most people understand that avoiding Meta is a good thing.

If you don’t care about people you personally know in your social media, then pick whatever you want depending on features. I recommend Mastodon. It has quirks (what doesn’t) but it’s fine. Chronological (not algorithmic) time-line, open-source, you can even subscribe to people with RSS feeds. If there’s someone you’d like to follow from e.g. Bluesky, there’s often a Mastodon bot for their posts. Or you can subscribe via RSS there as well.

chadgpt3•3m ago
What do you use it for? There's never a single alternative to a social media platform the way there is for say online shopping - the experience isn't fungible. But you may be able to find another platform to fulfil the same purposes.
rvz•43m ago
"principles", "Big Tech", "morals", "money", "ethics" and "I work at a big tech company" are all oxymorons.
nalekberov•41m ago
That or they will be blocked completely.

Who's naive enough to think that big corporations like Meta would care about human rights?

0x5FC3•41m ago
Social media companies post record earnings year after year from their ads business while increasingly proving to be harmful to society. They do the bare minimum in terms of content moderation and bots while priming the algorithms to maximize revenue. The good ol' privatized profits, socialized harm model.

In a just world, would social media platforms be taxed higher on corporate revenue and how would that pan out? Maybe we'll be left with small federated platforms without algorithms and ads.

larodi•27m ago
Sadly I dare not say anything rude against Facebook and its policies, as it gets immediately devoted for presumably harsh language or incitement of hatred. Well I really hate everything there is about FB in 2026 and have avoided it by all means possible ever since 2017. My actual FB is now called HN, but... I guess 1) HN has its own limits; 2) everything is fine, look the other way and it will go.
mannanj•25m ago
Is this not a Straw Man, as I'm hearing you say "they do the bare minimum in terms of content moderation and bots" whereas if as the title of the article claims, meta is instead "blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences" then the problem is that the content moderation itself is the problem, not "not doing enough" in content moderation.

It's their content moderation and perhaps bot policies causing damage.

I have first hand experience with how harmful their policies were during the SARS-COV-2 era, where I and peers who shared about health practices we were following with decades of experience to help improve our health were moderated and censored due to Facebook policies.

jazzypants•14m ago
Buddy... Are you a doctor? Are you a scientist? Why do you think that you have an inalienable right to proselytize your "health practices" on a public forum?

My experience was that there wasn't nearly enough moderation on social media about Covid. The absurd amount of misinformation was the final straw that finally got me to leave Facebook and Instagram.

chadgpt3•6m ago
How about we first ask what the practices are before we judge the practices?
jazzypants•3m ago
Which part of my post judged the practices? I just want to understand the other user's motivation for complaining because my experience was the polar opposite. I am related to several health professionals, and none of them ever complained about feeling censored in any way.
bayindirh•6m ago
The problem during the pandemic was, even health professionals' personal accounts got censored. It was hectic.
tclancy•3m ago
Because giving every maniac an equal voice and hearing them out is asymmetric. They have the burden of proof to have said “my perfectly validated facts I’ve learned in two decades as a scientist” or whatever if they wanted to provide that context.

Then again, here I am arguing in good faith with you, so more the fool I.

philipallstar•24m ago
This is the exact opposite of what you think. The problem is the governments in those places, and not the private company. The private company would gladly connect everyone.
rileymat2•20m ago
Not opposite, a different problem.

If you remove one viewpoint because of government mandate, while still carrying the other, your platform is creating a biased viewpoint to influence people, that’s on the platform.

throwaw12•17m ago
> The problem is the governments in those places, and not the private company.

Do you think Meta will comply if North Korea or Iran requests same censorship?

If your answer is "No, they will not comply", then problem is the company

lotsofpulp•9m ago
Does Meta do business in either of those jurisdictions?

If the answer is “No”, then it makes sense they would not follow laws they do not have to.

nixon_why69•5m ago
It's more complicated than that. The US government is currently at war with Iran, alongside UAE and the Saudis as allies. Meta is a US company.

I'd say the US government is more important to Meta than either the UAE or Saudi government. What do you think US government people are saying to Meta about this?

bayindirh•16m ago
Connecting more than none is an admirable goal, but if a company is not objecting this policy in covert and overt ways, they're being just complicit for monies.

Being complicit is something, but being complicit while trying to sugarcoat or hide it is something else.

cmiles74•12m ago
Strong disagree on this one! The problem is the company will do anything to stay operational in these repressive countries, including helping them hide human rights abuses (among other things).

The logic that if the local government was more open about their repressive policies then Meta would happily help spread that information is probably true but I don't think anyone has ever disagreed with that.

b65e8bee43c2ed0•11m ago
>The private company would gladly connect everyone.

they do plenty of completely arbitrary censorship voluntarily. no government had mandated the frenzied erasure of certain viewpoints during certain events of 2020-2023, for example.

chadgpt3•7m ago
Which viewpoints?
tclancy•6m ago
Public companies want only one thing, and it’s disgusting.

But seriously, they would gladly connect three people and leave everyone else out if it were most profitable. The fact freedom, such as it still is, is unevenly distributed is no excuse and we are not obligated to shrug and go, “Eh, what do you want this super valuable corporation to do?” We make it valuable as human beings. It should have a responsibility toward us. The fact it does not is a flaw in the system, not a fact of life.

WhereIsTheTruth•38m ago
Always funny seeing these low quality propaganda pieces try to export values that aren't even practiced at home

Fix the censorship in your own country first lol

dataviz1000•37m ago
My first full time job coding was in conservative media in the middle of West Palm Beach nestled between Rush Limbaugh and NewsMax. I knew but didn’t know, thought the thing I was working was morally neutral at worst. After 7 months, I get it working with subscribers. They started injecting pro oil, anti climate change propaganda into the streams. Then I figured out the money in my paychecks was most likely coming from Saudi Arabia.

I gave 1 month notice and resigned. They started offering me more and more money. I couldn’t accept that money or do that work. It has been 15 years, I don’t blame anyone for taking that money — I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I did — but, fuck, in hindsight that would have been an easy comfortable life.

AussieWog93•34m ago
Maybe I'm fatigued by a decade straight of people co-opting the language of human rights and progressivism in order to push the most insane agendas possible, or maybe I'm just the particular brand of contrarian that is common to HN, but I find it hard to take either the title or the article at face value.

Who writes a carefully worded statement like this, in multiple languages, but then "accidentally" forgets to include details about who was blocked and why?

nixon_why69•26m ago
They did say who was blocked, they list 2 NGOs and 2 individuals by name, while also saying "100 others" in the second paragraph. They link to Meta's transparency report for the "100 others".
AussieWog93•18m ago
There you go. I skipped over that. Both of the activists mentioned by name seem to be genuinely brave people standing up for real human rights.
cs02rm0•25m ago
The UAE is in Arabia. It's not in Saudi Arabia.
mmastrac•11m ago
Meta is the worst of the worst. I don't use it other than a tombstone account with some family connections and a separate burner account we use for Facebook marketplace.
netdur•10m ago
worth noting that "human rights" have been used as a weapon by the West to pressure other countries into submission

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