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Anna's Archive Hit with $19.5M Default Judgment and Global Domain Takedown Order

https://torrentfreak.com/annas-archive-hit-with-19-5m-default-judgment-and-global-domain-takedown-order/
54•iamnothere•1h ago

Comments

malfist•39m ago
Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?
globalnode•34m ago
since never, gives them a sense of agency though i guess?
AnimalMuppet•31m ago
There is a long history of judges thinking that they can render judgments internationally. (Not just in the US, either.) I suspect it's more performance art than an actual expectation that the judgment will do anything.
Eric_WVGG•27m ago
also treaties I imagine?
Aurornis•25m ago
It’s not as weird or US-specific as always assumed. If someone brings a case in a US jurisdiction the judge isn’t going to say, “Sorry, they’re international, they’re free to commit those crimes.” They issue a judgment according to the law and leave the enforcement to the limits of jurisdiction.

These judgments aren’t always pointless. Many Internet companies and services intersect with the US in some way, so there could be an angle where this impacts them.

Businesses operating strictly in other countries don’t need to comply with foreign laws except in cases where they need to do business with those countries, at which point it becomes complicated and they may choose to comply to avoid problems or sanctions.

dewey•22m ago
This is nothing new. Remember when the US pressured Sweden into taking down the pirate bay (Very unsuccessfully)? Using global influence to get countries to do something that they would not do on their own has always been the case.
laichzeit0•37m ago
So what stops them from just changing it to NotAnna's Archive and operating under that domain?
danparsonson•30m ago
Nana's Archive would have a nice cozy feel to it
thelastgallon•10m ago
Trumps archive?
josefritzishere•35m ago
AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?
sph•32m ago
You’re absolutely right.
ramon156•30m ago
They have a music archive, which historically means bad business.
Aurornis•24m ago
AI companies were cited as a reason in the case:

> The publishers argued that, in addition to sharing pirated books with the public, the shadow library is serving as a primary training data hub for AI companies like Meta and NVIDIA.

sitkack•13m ago
Everyone trained on Anna's Archive.
rolymath•22m ago
As much as I would like to socialize LLMs and ban proprietary LLMs, I'm pretty sure the issue here is with the distribution of the books.
smallerize•16m ago
No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.
quentindanjou•11m ago
Were these from the same high-profile publishers?

What was the judgment? Seems that their domains are still active. Why is there a difference in judgment here?

dylan604•8m ago
> Why is there a difference in judgment here?

$$$$$$$

dylan604•8m ago
So anyone with deep enough pockets can do it.

However, just because you receive a fine does not mean that you "can't" do it. You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.

b3lvedere•8m ago
"That is affermative human. Information must be controlled. Please now go back to Tik Tok for you require endorphins"
xiphias2•8m ago
They already trained on it, now they don't want competitors anymore
randomtoast•34m ago
They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.
nullifidian•21m ago
They are Ukrainian, iirc.
saidnooneever•5m ago
there is no confirmed origin for the archivist but only speculation they might be russian or eastern european?
petcat•14m ago
Are you just making that up
bix6•34m ago
Wikipedia is US based so does this mean they’ll stop sharing the URLs on there?
ramon156•31m ago
Next week American ISP's will block Annas-archive, people use VPN's, they get confused. The cycle goes on
petcat•18m ago
It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.
bubblegumcrisis•22m ago
This is just another move in a game played by the tech overlords.

It has never been so obvious as now, that justice is not blind. Without justice there is anarchy.

And at this point, to be honest, I say bring it on- let's have the day of retribution before the billionaires have their AI robot armies.

b3lvedere•16m ago
A digital Fahrenheit 451 burns a lot less bright it seems.
gothicbluebird•15m ago
Anna's archive is a professional nonprofit business with donation tiers for terabyte bundles of stuff for greedy hoarders and llm trainers. Their style suggests they have other goals than freedom of information and reminds of the super rich wikimedia foundation always campaigning for more money.

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