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Jira Is Turing-Complete

https://seriot.ch/computation/jira.html
45•vinhnx•2h ago

Comments

pjmlp•23m ago
All workflow and orchestration engines are Turing complete, the whole purpose is to automate execution flows.
snemvalts•20m ago
How many of them can run infinitely? Or be re-triggered by humans to continue where they left off?
pjmlp•15m ago
Depends on how you code the workflow and transition state triggers.
tgv•16m ago
I don't think so. First, JIRA is not orchestration. Second, all workflow needs to do is associate some status with external information, and make it easy to manipulate those. You need triggers and rules, some thing like infinite counters, two stacks, a bidirectional tape, etc.

Prove me wrong!

pjmlp•14m ago
Yes, and the rules engine is there when creating custom workflows.

https://developer.atlassian.com/server/jira/platform/creatin...

I also explicitly mentioned workflows on my comment.

hyperhello•21m ago
Jira is completely awful and thus has the potential to take on any other form of awfulness.
0xffany•14m ago
Or is it Awfully-Complete? :)
qsort•6m ago
Jira is the ultimate example of the concept of alienation. If Marx knew about Atlassian the Grundrisse would have been insanely lit.
lmm•12m ago
That explains why it's impossible to tell whether any given Jira operation is going to halt or not.
fercircularbuf•6m ago
Not surprising if you've worked with their automation flows in-depth before. What's surprising is how awful their automation flow tools are to work with. Feels like programming in assembly to accomplish what you want.
Buttons840•6m ago
Jira is popular and has good API wrappers for your favorite language. I'm surprised corporate programmers with the hacker spirit haven't automated most of the things they are asked to do in Jira with Python command line scripts or whatever.

If you can make Jira an order of magnitude easier to use for yourself than for the people pushing it, suddenly the script flips and Jira is something you push to protect yourself. I've used Jira to almost a malicious extent at times, and it's a great tool to cover your ass. If you ever get in trouble for something you just point out "this was all made clear in the hundreds of Jira updates I've written, you've been reading those, right?". What are they going to do? Ask you to use Jira less?

We have AI now. Hook it all together with a custom script and have the AI do all the Jira crap for you.

_ZeD_•3m ago
> corporate programmers with the hacker spirit

that thing does not exists

rectang•6m ago
Even more nauseating than https://brainfuck.org

Jira Is Turing-Complete

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