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Uber president says AI spending is getting 'harder to justify'

https://www.theverge.com/transportation/937116/uber-ai-investment-hard-to-justify
68•berlianta•4h ago

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chollida1•48m ago
I do find it to be true that with coding agents the famous quote from Jurassic Park goes through my head multiple time a day

"our scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they never stopped to ask if they should.

I've now come to the realization that if I'm having an llm work constantly all day writing code for me i'm probably doing something wrong as I'm no longer focusing on the core issue itself.

I may be in a minority here in that I write code to augment my self and not to ship to others so I can tell very quickly if I'm just gold platting something or if i'm actually delivering real value to my trading or risk management.

kshri24•47m ago
I still get picked up by an Uber the same way. As an end user, nothing has changed for me.

So I wonder what the heck were all those billions of AI tokens burnt on that they extinguished it in just 4 months into the year?

fancyfredbot•42m ago
Apparently:

* In App Hotel bookings in partnership with Expedia.

* Travel Mode with suggestions on where to eat and visit when travelling.

* Eats for the way - your driver picks up a takeaway for you to eat while they drive you to your destination.

* Voice bookings using AI and speech to text.

How did we ever live without them!

burkaman•25m ago
> Eats for the way - your driver picks up a takeaway for you to eat while they drive you to your destination.

This seems like the kind of terrible idea that an LLM might have come up with. I'm pretty sure most drivers do not want people eating (especially a whole meal) in their car, and I can't imagine a lot of instances where you're calling an Uber and don't have time to get yourself food, but don't mind waiting an extra 10 minutes for the driver to detour, find parking, and wait for your food.

newaccountman2•24m ago
Holy fuck, aside from the voice bookings, that's some useless shit to spend money building as far as both tokens and salaries go.

Are they profitable yet lol

deaton•46m ago
Goodhart's law strikes again. Stop giving your engineers token-burning quotas or they'll burn tokens.
dangus•39m ago
I really don’t understand on the customer side of B2B why so many companies actively encouraged AI tooling costs.

I can understand it from the side of the companies selling tokens and AI hardware. I don’t understand the race to spend more on internal tools.

I’ve been sitting around waiting for my company to buy a number of necessary bits of tools. They cheap out on every solution imaginable. Datadog is too expensive, let’s buy a cheap solution that costs us months of setup time. Configuration management is too expensive, let’s use the free version with no audit trail or dashboard.

But everyone…in the entire company…gets multiple AI tool subscriptions.

I don’t remember investors being this stupid at any other point. I don’t recall investors pressuring my company to use blockchain or NFTs.

xingped•32m ago
Nothing that C-execs and management advocates for has made any sense for a long time now. If this is the first you're starting to question it all, I must ask what rock you're sleeping under because I desperately need a really good nap...
dangus•23m ago
I knew they were stupid, I just didn’t know it got way down to this level
hilariously•8m ago
Strategy - just doing what your friends on the golf course are doing.

The number of times I have been told "oh I talked to so and so and they are having SUCH a good time using X" and then three years later "oh I talked to so and so and they got rid of X as soon as they could, we should switch!"

pjmlp•22m ago
I surely remember everyone does SOA, everyone does NoSQL, everyone does Hadoop, everyone does microservices, everyone does kubernetes,....

Not with the same pressure as everyone in the company (literally everyone, regardless of the job role) has to burn AI tokens, and attend forced AI workshops, still it is always running after the next new shinny.

ambicapter•16m ago
Nobody wanted to admit that they had no idea how "AI" was going to help but nobody wanted to get left off the hype train...so they tasked their engineers to figure something out...by just asking them to spend as much as possible (As I explain this it just sounds stupider and stupider). Of course, spending willy-nilly is not a good way to find a profitable (or smart) idea, but that's a problem for future company bottom line.
kevincox•10m ago
The logic is quite simple. Management thinks that AI can improve productivity, but knows that there will be some resistance and some learning curve. So they force people to use it so that people can 1. develop their skills and workflow and 2. find out where it is useful 3. find out what needs to be improved to make it useful.

As a more obvious example consider that cars were just invented and the post office wants letter carriers to use cars. But right now cars are slow, break down a lot and there isn't much infrastructure for them. Lots of letter carriers will (rightly) think that it is a waste of time because they need to get in, stop, park between every house and they break down so often it isn't worth it and half of their route is unsuitable for a car. But if cars are forced for a while they will find out what routes work well for cars and which don't, improve the cars and related infrastructure to make cars more effective and other improvements to unlock more productivity.

So yes, right now management is wasting money on cars and gas for no increased productivity. And yes, measuring how much gas each employee uses and encouraging to use more is obviously stupid in isolation. But the idea is to force adoption to iron out the kinks and find out where it can improve productivity. It is basically funding a research project.

dogleash•8m ago
You go up high enough on the corporate ladder, and they don't know software team tooling and workflow improvements are regularly bottom-up initiatives (that often hit roadblocks, like you give examples of). From that perspective, this AI stuff needs a corporate initiative.

Take someone who's job is sending requests and receiving emails about things they don't have the background to understand in intricate detail. They know beyond belief that AI is a already a fully capable employee. The grunts must be sandbagging for job security. Why wouldn't that person want to forcefully maximize everyone's use AI well beyond what is reasonable to figure out what the new baseline can produce? Then pull back once you have data on how much the grunts were sandbagging.

xnx•37m ago
Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48268871
sbmthakur•14m ago
Affordable inference will be around longer if more Big tech companies cap their AI sending.

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