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Stripe is friendly to "friendly fraud"

https://www.gingerlime.com/2026/stripe-seem-friendly-to-friendly-fraud/
69•gingerlime•1h ago

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dentemple•1h ago
Then what are the better alternatives?
bombcar•44m ago
Nothing, it’s a 5% bobcat problem. The card processors can force the merchants to eat it and there’s nothing you can do save not accepting cards, which loses you the other 95% of the market.

https://xkcd.com/325/

sbierwagen•57m ago
Stripe obviously records data around friendly fraud, (At minimum they implement Visa Compelling Evidence 3.0 https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-does-stripe-support... ) and since you did not include screenshots of the messages sent by Stripe support I suspect they were saying something carefully noncommittal and legally compliant to get you to go away, which then got spun into an outraged blog post.
benoau•46m ago
That link says the customer's undisputed transactions 4 - 12 months ago with you may establish their disputed transaction was actually legitimate, but the article is about someone who only made disputed purchases within a week or two.
bfkwlfkjf•44m ago
What's your point? Do you think it matters what stripe said? What is something that they could've said that wouldn't have justified the outraged blog post?
SpicyLemonZest•41m ago
The author thinks it matters what Stripe said, since they chose to use it as the title for their blog post. To the extent that it was just meant to be a lament that it's hard to be a small online merchant in an era of strong consumer protections, sure, I sympathize. But they seem to think it's a problem with Stripe that could be fixed if Stripe behaved better.
8cvor6j844qw_d6•14m ago
> Stripe obviously records data around friendly fraud

My only nit with Stipe is they don't allow me to delete card details for an ongoing subscription I don't plan to renew and already set it not to renew on the service billing page.

ValentineC•41m ago
There aren't any screenshots of conversations with Stripe support in the blog post, but I'm guessing one other reason is that support agents are incentivised to close tickets or end conversations as quickly as possible.
shash7•37m ago
I run a saas and we get this every now and then.

As a rule of thumb, when you get a chargeback you need to completely ban the customer from your db. This includes:

- card ban - email address ban - fingerprint their access and ban

This will save you a lot of hassle when they try to signup/buy your product again and cause you the same amount of grief.

wahnfrieden•21m ago
Use DeviceCheck if iOS app too. Uber does this to ban across accounts
ios-contractor•33m ago
To be fair, from stripe's point of view, how would they know that you and the alleged customer are not in on it for some reason they don't know?
jellomjello•32m ago
? in on what?
NDlurker•28m ago
So I can crack open a Backwoods, stick my weed in there, and then glue back together with Ciglue? That's pretty cool.
bberenberg•25m ago
I got hit with a fraudulent chargeback (claim was the purchase was unauthorized and the person showed up in person to a class) and it was doubly bad because they paid via Link which means that Stripe actively verified them via 2FA.

Can someone explain to me why Stripe (or a competitor) doesn't offer a setting "refuse transactions for cards that have filed > x chargebacks with <acquirer> merchants this year"?

cperciva•14m ago
claim was the purchase was unauthorized and the person showed up in person to a class

Certainly a person showed up in person to a class, but how do you know it was the person whose credit card was used?

bberenberg•11m ago
It matched their LinkedIn photo.
SpicyLemonZest•12m ago
I don't know this is the reason, but if I were asked to build such a system, I'd be pretty worried that it constitutes a consumer report under the terms of the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

Certainly I wouldn't want the inevitable news drama about it. "I'm just a poor innocent grandma, I'm a trusting person when it comes to Facebook ads, and Stripe punished me for getting scammed by banning me from half the stores on the Internet!"

varenc•21m ago
> They told me they don’t use evidence of chargeback abuse from one merchant to create cross-merchant fraud signals, or to take action against the customer’s card, email, or other details for other merchants.

I'm quite surprised they were able to get Stripe to actually state all of this clearly. Its nice that Stripe actually communicates details like this. But you can see the logic behind why many other big companies would just respond with an opaque message like "thank you for your report, it will be handled in the appropriate manner". Because saying the truth gets people more upset.

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