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Cloudflare Turnstile requiring fingerprintable WebGL

https://hacktivis.me/articles/cloudflare-turnstile-webgl-fingerprinting
463•HypnoticOcelot•9h ago•256 comments

Chuwi Minibook X: the netbook we deserve

https://tylercipriani.com/blog/2026/05/28/chuwi-minibook-x/
17•thcipriani•41m ago•5 comments

1-Bit Bonsai Image 4B Image Generation for Local Devices

https://prismml.com/news/bonsai-image-4b
257•modinfo•8h ago•90 comments

New Beam Spring Keyboards

https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product/beam-spring-b104-keyboard/
32•recursivedoubts•2d ago•15 comments

The four programming questions from my 1994 Microsoft internship interview (2023)

https://www.computerenhance.com/p/the-four-programming-questions-from
50•tosh•3d ago•15 comments

Dav2d

https://jbkempf.com/blog/2026/dav2d/
382•captain_bender•11h ago•133 comments

Creatine raises brain energy levels and slows cognitive decline: study

https://thesciverse.org/scientists-found-that-the-creatine-supplement-millions-take-for-muscle-ga...
436•MrJagil•7h ago•290 comments

United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-767-returns-newark-bluetooth-name-alert/
235•Eridanus2•10h ago•372 comments

Codex just found a "workaround" of not having sudo on my PC

https://twitter.com/i/status/2060746160558543217
317•thunderbong•4h ago•137 comments

Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/27/meta-officially-launches-instagram-facebook-and-whatsapp-subscr...
95•tambourine_man•6h ago•131 comments

The Speed of Prototyping in the Age of AI

https://darylcecile.net/notes/speed-of-prototyping-age-of-ai
99•mooreds•7h ago•58 comments

Show HN: Streambed – Stream Postgres to Iceberg on S3, Supports Postgres Wire

https://github.com/viggy28/streambed
46•vira28•4h ago•4 comments

Linux/M68k

http://www.linux-m68k.org/
50•doener•2d ago•16 comments

It's Not Just X. It's Y

https://mail.cyberneticforests.com/its-not-just-data-its-post-training/
59•mooreds•1h ago•50 comments

Restartable Sequences

https://justine.lol/rseq/
172•grappler•9h ago•49 comments

Unix in East Germany (GDR) (1990)

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.wizards/c/QX_dxElrVNs
15•downbad_•2d ago•1 comments

London's Free Roof Terraces

https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2026/05/londons-free-roof-terraces.html
261•zeristor•16h ago•132 comments

The Website Specification

https://specification.website/
424•k1m•16h ago•180 comments

ChatGPT for Google Sheets is vulnerable to data exfiltration and phishing

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/gpt-for-google-sheets-data-exfiltration
92•hackerBanana•3h ago•33 comments

Websites have a new way to spy on visitors: analyzing their SSD activity

https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/05/websites-have-a-new-way-to-spy-on-visitors-analyzing-the...
96•Brajeshwar•3d ago•21 comments

Having your insulin pump die while you're on vacation

https://blog.lauramichet.com/what-its-like-to-have-the-machine-that-keeps-you-alive-die-while-you...
116•speckx•3d ago•131 comments

'Backrooms' Stuns with $81M Debut

https://variety.com/2026/film/box-office/backrooms-box-office-record-opening-weekend-obsession-ju...
129•mindcrime•4h ago•36 comments

Backpressure is all you need

https://www.lucasfcosta.com/blog/backpressure-is-all-you-need
129•lucasfcosta•11h ago•82 comments

US healthcare still stupidly expensive, with pathetic outcomes, study finds

https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/05/us-healthcare-still-stupidly-expensive-with-pathetic-outco...
111•rbanffy•3h ago•91 comments

Deflock hits 100k ALPRs Mapped in USA

https://deflock.org/
156•pilingual•6h ago•36 comments

New solar desalination breakthrough makes fresh water without toxic brine

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/05/260530053418.htm
42•rmason•3h ago•5 comments

The History of "Prisencolinensinainciusol"

https://dirkdeklein.net/2026/02/03/the-fascinating-history-of-prisencolinensinainciusol-the-nonse...
13•NaOH•4h ago•0 comments

Odysseus – self-hosted AI workspace

https://github.com/pewdiepie-archdaemon/odysseus
96•Dzheky•7h ago•52 comments

FROST: Fingerprinting Remotely using OPFS-based SSD Timing [pdf]

https://hannesweissteiner.com/pdfs/frost.pdf
47•simjnd•9h ago•15 comments

Security Envelope Pattern collection – S.E.C.R.E.T

https://secret-archive.org/
86•ColinWright•2d ago•9 comments
Open in hackernews

It's Not Just X. It's Y

https://mail.cyberneticforests.com/its-not-just-data-its-post-training/
57•mooreds•1h ago

Comments

Retr0id•55m ago
> RLVR is weirder, and I suspect it's why we see "It's not X, it's Y" so often.

This feels like an easy enough hypothesis to verify, for anyone in the business of training LLMs - does the not-X-but-Y rate increase after RLVR?

andy99•40m ago
It’s unlikely this is true. LLMs are way more mad-libs / templates than we like to admit, that’s (ironically) not a judgement about their capability, it’s primarily just an observation. But it’s also what plain old SFT, which I believe is the primary culprit, ends up imparting.
huflungdung•53m ago
You’re absolutely right. This is the smoking gun. This changes everything.
Starlevel004•40m ago
This is the real unlock. Here's the key takeaways.
H8crilA•36m ago
It's not just an unlock. It's a major discovery.
matheusmoreira•28m ago
Now I see the full picture.
flexagoon•17m ago
I'm zeroing in on the main culprit.
rzzzt•6m ago
Wait, there could be more things to consider.
rvz•49m ago
Another bunch of dead give aways in code bases with READMEs is the repetitive:

- "No X, No Y, No Z." pattern

- "Here is X - it makes Y"

The worst and most obvious one is the constant over use of emoji ticks and crosses.

Retr0id•43m ago
For calibration purposes, I offer you a pre-LLM README I wrote that includes an em-dash* followed by "No X, No Y, No Z": https://github.com/DavidBuchanan314/stelf-loader

*actually a hyphen but it's functioning as an em dash.

zamadatix•31m ago
"Hyphen functioning as an em dash" is an expected human thing as it's what's easy to type. It's specifically an actual em dash which got bulldozed, much to the dismay of those who bothered to put the unicode character in.
edbaskerville•27m ago
If you read The Mac is Not a Typewriter in 1992—thus burning Option-Shift-hyphen into your typing patterns for life, along with a dogmatic love for serif body fonts—you're the real victim here.
zamadatix•12m ago
Or those of us that use a full featured editor when writing the readme.md!

This reminds me of another em dash+AI related topic, I've noticed LLMs have an extreme bias towards spaces around the dash while people can go either way with it.

Baader-Meinhof•45m ago
I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.
chipotle_coyote•21m ago
Except that the entire point of the article is that they're not AI idioms. They're not "watermarks for text." They're legitimate language constructions that LLMs tend to overuse, but that real humans also use. Real humans do, in fact, say "align with" all the time, just as often as "corresponds."

And you can pry my em dashes from my cold, dead hands.

ohyoutravel•18m ago
Well reading between the lines I don’t think they’re saying all of those uses are AI. They’re legitimate constructs, like the em-dash, en-dash, and hyphen, all of which I used to use regularly. But now they’re AI tells so I use them sparingly.
card_zero•11m ago
Sociolinguistic register happened.
Maxatar•17m ago
The article is not God, just because it claims something doesn't mean we have to accept it.

For better or worse (and pretty much for worse), these usages have become AI idioms. Language evolves over time, things that used to be harmless become offensive, certain terms end up taking on the complete opposite meaning than their original meaning, and we are watching certain language patterns and idioms become watermarks for AI and while it sucks, it doesn't make it false.

wrs•43m ago
This is how early forms of "reasoning" in LLMs worked: just literally inserting words like "Wait...", "Hmm...", "Let me reconsider...", "But is it really..." into the token stream.
flexagoon•18m ago
Is this not how current forms of reasoning work? It seems like the open models still output things like that, and the closed ones all just summarize their thinking instead to avoid distillation, but probably do the same thing internally.
wrs•12m ago
I think the basic idea is the same (not being a frontier lab researcher I couldn’t say for sure), but there are different techniques, such as “reasoning tokens” that aren’t literally words, and more interesting structures than just sticking them into the stream.
adt•30m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing#...
downbad_•20m ago
Signs? Those are normal ways of writing? What the hell? Is everything AI now?
HarHarVeryFunny•28m ago
> In the end, shaming people for writing that gets flagged as AI can lead people to sidestep structures the model has learned from us

It's interesting why LLMs generate constructions like this more frequently than they presumably exist in the training set. I wonder if this is some sort of mode collapse caused by post training, and/or maybe because they are training on synthetic data so these things become self-perpetuating and self-amplifying (a feedback loop)?

The lesson for humans worried about being falsely identified as AI is just learn to write better! It doesn't matter where your repertoire of phrasing comes from (copying AI or not), but one of the basic rules of writing is not to repeat yourself unless you are doing so deliberately for a purpose. Go ahead and use "It's not just X. It's Y" if you want to, but if you use it multiple times in the same short piece of writing, then you may deserve to be called out for poor style, if not for being an AI.

Maxatar•11m ago
Its not model collapse nor does it have anything to do with training data frequency. It's simply RLHF where the humans hired to tune the conversational style of these LLMs preferred certain idioms over others and so the reward function for these LLMs gravitated toward using them.

If LLMs generated text based on training data frequency they'd likely be some of the most vulgar and hostile things ever created. The internet is full of insults, profanity, and low effort content. The repeated phrases are a side effect of reward optimization rather than some kind of model collapse.

busssard•24m ago
nice article, but i think as a non native english speaker, i always use the model in english for reasoning and then translate the output to my language. most of these considerations do not apply. because the translation step is taking out alot of these language artifacts
phildenhoff•15m ago
Do you manually translate or translate with an LLM? While reading, I was wondering how common these kinds of written tics are in languages outside English.
rq1•20m ago
You’re absolutely right to push back on this.

Sometimes it’s not just about the Ys but also the Qs.

coldtea•20m ago
>Recent overuse by language models has led many to declare it bad writing. I'm not so sure.

It is bad writing.

verbify•13m ago
Always? There's never a place for it?
chrisweekly•12m ago
I'd say it's average writing.
karim79•12m ago
"So, if we publicly shame people whose text looks like it might have been written by a machine – because it mimics the language used for human reasoning – and people stop writing in ways that they internalize as "AI writing" out of fear of false detection, it sends a signal that your language for reasoning must be policed, or you too could be held up to public scrutiny."

This is honestly both terrifying and well articulated.

High praise to the blog author.

card_zero•7m ago
There are plenty of idioms, find a different idiom, tough titties.
ai_slop_hater•12m ago
> Because if Pangram's AI system found me guilty, that's the end of my career. That's literally extortion.

How is this different from humans? When I went to high school, my teachers extorted me too. Especially subjects like English and unlike Math, where evaluation is 100% subjective.

amarant•8m ago
Clearly humans always type "it's not merely X, but also Y"
galleywest200•26m ago
I prefer the double dash "--", but Microsoft products will convert this to a proper em-dash if you press space afterwards, I think...
Grimblewald•23m ago
Double should map to endash, tripple for em.
Retr0id•26m ago
A lot of the LLM bots on HN (and elsewhere) will find-and-replace their em dashes with hypens in an attempt to evade detection.
zamadatix•23m ago
Precisely, anything to remove AI smells in favor of natural looking text.
Retr0id•22m ago
My point is I don't consider em dash vs hyphen to be a strong signal either way, humans and bots alike use both interchangeably.
zamadatix•18m ago
A signal is not the same thing as a guarantee. Both of your points so far, i.e. your provided text & that bots often bother to replace em dashes to avoid detection, actually support that it is a signal though.
Retr0id•14m ago
The stronger signal is the grammatical structure, not the specific glyph used.
zamadatix•12m ago
The stronger yet signal is both combined! This glyph, that emoji, a given sentence structure, that formatting, a certain phrase. The more you notice -> the stronger the signal, the more you miss/discard -> the weaker the signal.
edbaskerville•31m ago
and we will now hold you responsible!
Grimblewald•25m ago
Alternatively, no one sounds like an llm, an llm sounds like someone, typically those close to the median of the training corpus. If AI were genuinly capable of novelty, it would be a big deal, tech bros having enough work ethic to design new detectable prose for an llm is a mssive reach and has no real evidence supporting it, else why do tech bros only tackle the easier issues? Things we have massive well labelled corpi for? Why is it never dishwashing and folding laundry?

I put to you, if you see a trope in AI writing it's because that trope appeared in the training corpus. Therefore, sure, being predjudice against it lets you catch some AI, but you'll also flag human outout. I think that may not be worth it in the end.

thewebguyd•15m ago
What's worse is neurodivergent writing, including my own, often resemble AI output. Now it feels like I'm having to alter my own voice in online discussions just to specifically avoid being accused of pasting an AI response.

The "AI Detection" tools employed by schools also regularly flag writing from those with Autism, ADHD, and non-native English speakers as being AI generated as well.

So, naturally, I can't stand the phrase "write like AI" when these things tend to come up because no, there are no humans that "write like AI" it's the models that have stolen the literary devices from us and now have poisoned them.

omoikane•19m ago
> It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them

That's really unfortunate though. It's like Michael Bolton from Office Space: "No way! Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."

wazdra•17m ago
I agree with the feeling. But if you agree with the analysis of the article, this cat & mouse game ultimately amounts to stop disclosing our reasoning threads through commonly accepted linguistic structures. That's quite a price to pay as a society...