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I was recently diagnosed with anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis

https://burntsushi.net/encephalitis/
160•Tomte•4h ago

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sscaryterry•3h ago
Best of luck mate. Most of us take our health for granted.
burntsushi•3h ago
Thank you. <3

It's been a trip. The worst thing that has happened, but also the best. It has definitely given me a new perspective on life, that's for sure.

My favorite side effect is that I now love all foods. Prior to this, I was a rather picky eater. Now I love everything!

philipportner•1h ago
> My favorite side effect is that I now love all foods. Prior to this, I was a rather picky eater. Now I love everything!

I feel like there's a burntsushi joke hiding in there somewhere.

All the best Andrew.

burntsushi•59m ago
There is actually haha. I've always hated sushi. And sushi is now on my shortlist to try again. I can't wait.

(My handle comes from graffiti I found on the booth of a hot dog stand in Worcester MA called Coney Island[1]. I thought it was a cute oxymoron and adopted it on a silly whim. I only later learned that some sushi is indeed cooked.)

[1]: https://coneyislandlunch.com/

dbt00•6m ago
I've had some experience with situations like what you experienced in my family, and I just want to say how glad I am to hear that you had people in your corner to help you out when you needed it the most.
jakobnissen•2h ago
This sounds horrifying. It’s one of those stories that makes me think in just how many ways our bodies or minds can break or malfunction in terrifying ways. Any one of us could, right now, carry a lethal tumor that hasn’t been discovered.

Best of luck to you, and get well. I’m glad it didn’t get even worse before it was treated.

somenameforme•56m ago
CDC mortality tables [1] are kind of eye opening for those who don't realize how brief life is. Average age range on HN is probably in the 25-44 year old bracket. That bracket has an approximate mortality rate of 140/100k per year. HN has what, 5 million or so monthly users? So that means of all of 'us', it's expected that around 7,000 HN readers age 25-44, die each year. That's fairly close to 1 death per hour.

[1] - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/MortFinal2007_Worktable23r...

klipt•44m ago
Your CDC figure is an average over all genders. Assuming hacker news readers are disproportionately men, the mortality rate is even higher, since men die younger than women on average.
ssl-3•30m ago
We also need to subtract the bot accounts, and the many thousands of HN users who have already died.

This should bring the rate back down a bit. ;)

logicchains•23m ago
>it's expected that around 7,000 HN readers age 25-44, die each year

That's not true unless HN readers are a representative sample of the overall 25-44 population, which they aren't. Higher-income/SES is associated with a lower mortality rate than the overall population average.

sherr•2h ago
Thanks for writing this. Perhaps a part of your therapy at the end. Also, a way to understand and recover. I hope all goes well for you!
jszymborski•2h ago
I can't begin to imagine the pain and stress caused by those symptoms, but I am so very happy to hear the prognosis is quite good. A linked scientific article makes the case that this is a very new diagnosis, and increased awareness might help a lot of people, so if you are reading this burntsushi, thanks for being open about something deeply personal, I hope I would have had the courage to do so myself.
burntsushi•1h ago
Thank you. <3

There were lots of reasons that went into me posting this.

First and foremost is that this is a disease of chaos that is prone to misdiagnosis. I want to shout this from the roof tops to spread awareness. I don't have a ton of reach, but I have some, and I want to use it to amplify things like this.

Second is that I'm somewhat naturally open about these sorts of things.

Third is I feel a responsibility to my projects and users.

Fourthly is that it's just practically useful to have a link to send to someone when I reference this time period in my life. :-)

> very new diagnosis

Yes! Discovered in 2007. Wild.

> so if you are reading this burntsushi, thanks for being open about something deeply personal, I hope I would have had the courage to do so myself.

<3 <3 <3

tosh•1h ago
ty for this writeup Andrew, all the best to you
vatsachak•1h ago
I'm using both csv and aho-corasick on my project!

I wish you the best and I'm sure us Rustaceans are happy to help with anything

miguelxpn•50m ago
I'm glad you got diagnosed and the treatment is working. Sending you virtual hugs!
cgh•49m ago
My wife has a cardiac autoimmune disease that was similarly misdiagnosed (including an appalling “it’s all in your head” from her family MD at the time). We underwent a year of immense stress. Just days before her probable death, she had a pacemaker and defibrillator installed, which saved her life.

I’m not entirely sure why I’m mentioning this, other than I sympathize deeply with your wife. What an absolute ordeal.

code_duck•41m ago
I had a much more common autoimmune disease, adult-onset Type 1 Diabetes (LADA), determined to be health anxiety by a very large, major renowned hospital who should have known better. It led to over a year of continued illness before finally I was diagnosed at an ER. I'm sure some people have psychosomatic or anxiety based illnesses, but it's rather grating to be told by a psychologist that you're worrying yourself to death when you are very, very sure that's not the issue.
OkayPhysicist•6m ago
How did it take a year to diagnose diabetes? Are there symptoms of Type 1 that aren't downstream of blood sugar? I, some chucklefuck with some first aid experience, can figure out if someone is hypo/hyperglycemic by smell.
sheepolog•34m ago
It's been super eye-opening to me as an adult how frequent misdiagnoses are. I understand it's good for a doctor to sound confident, but "confidently wrong" is imo much worse than "cautiously wrong". We really need better imaging/diagnostic tools that cut down on human bias; hoping for a star trek tricorder someday.
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bonsai_spool•44m ago
One thing that may be intriguing is that this is a relatively new diagnosis (first described in 2007).

There's so much medicine to discover and we need to keep supporting a biomedical research enterprise that can find reversible treatments to disorders that would otherwise be difficult to treat (his symptoms, for example, would be thought of as a schizophrenia manifestation in another era)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2607118/

jr3592•35m ago
Yes, the biomedical world needs to go through the same boom that tech went through in the last 20 years.

The problem is accessibility. Tech grew largely because of how accessible the technology is. Biomedical research is still very difficult to get into, and as a result seriously curtails the potential progress we as a society could make.

I don't know what the solution is but there's got to be an easier way to tinker, test, explore, and play around with biomedical things (cells, viruses, etc.).

Ideally it would be a purely software world where we replicate everything down to the DNA level so that you can test and play around with potential solutions...

giantg2•27m ago
"the biomedical world needs to go through the same boom that tech went through in the last 20 years."

Not going to happen with all the regulation. Plus, I think half of us techies got into it for games and boobs (bypass parental controls). Not a lot of that same adolescent motivation in that field.

bonsai_spool•9m ago
> Yes, the biomedical world needs to go through the same boom that tech went through in the last 20 years.

Why do you think that isn’t happening? So many comments here make broad claims about fields where the poster isn’t familiar. Being a programmer does not make one knowledgeable about other specialized fields

zengid•33m ago
Wishing you a full and fast recovery!
ck2•28m ago
when I saw "NMDA receptor" I was immediately fascinated

I have long-covid and purposely take low-dose Dextromethorphan (just 15gm)

because it acts as a NMDA Receptor Antagonist

by blocking NMDA Receptors, it helps mitigate overactivation of chronic pain and fatigue pathways

it sounds like Andrew was experiencing the exact opposite effects by aggravating the pathways

* https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7851375/

* https://images2.imgbox.com/0b/d7/AKg9AJg6_o.png

Munksgaard•13m ago
> [...] Since I had been cleared physically, getting out of the psychiatric hospital quickly to see a neurologist proved difficult. This was the single point, in retrospect, where our health care system let me down. It took a lucky connection with someone who happened to be a doctor to get me out of the psychiatric facility and into the neurology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston.

That sounds scary. As someone without any experience with psychiatric institutions or the US health system, I'm curious what people's views are on this.

fleshmonad•12m ago
Glad he had connections to get out of the psychiatric institution. Thinking of all the unfortunate people without the means being incarcerated there with their misdiagnosis, getting put down with antipsychotics
18m ago
The part that doctors see that individuals don't is the flood of people who are chronically freaking out over nothing.

There are going to be casualties of doctor's triage, and those stories will be beyond upsetting, but most would agree its better than an 8 month wait to get an MRI.

amatecha•13m ago
Yeah, I've had to fight to get medication that the doc insisted "doesn't work" - had to cite actual studies that showed blatant results showing effectiveness. The way society has this widespread "appeal to authority" built in around doctors drives me crazy, because they are treated as if they are the ultimate authority on health/medical, but are often woefully under-educated about specific subtle details that can end up being critical to the management/prognosis of a health issue.

I have a worsened lifelong issue because of repeated sub-optimal "solutions" to a problem, such that the best long-term solution was found by the THIRD doctor that looked at my problem. "Solutions" from the first two guaranteed my problem will forever be worse than it would have been (solely due to their treatments), if only the third doc's solution had been considered/presented first. Even worse, I was a teenager and young adult when dealing with the first two. My mistake for not doing my own comprehensive research, apparently -- the thing we entrust doctors to do for us...

Aurornis•5m ago
> It's been super eye-opening to me as an adult how frequent misdiagnoses are.

I was talking to a specialist in a field where a rare condition has started to trend on TikTok. It was also eye-opening to learn how much they're struggling under the weight of bad referrals for patients who don't have the condition they claim.

That's not to say they aren't sick. The patients are suffering from something. However between hours of TikTok and ChatGPT they can convince themselves they have a condition and learn how to convince their primary care doctor to put in the referral

This doesn't work as much for conditions that have objective criteria like blood tests, where it's easy to filter out the patients who have both negative blood tests and a PCP who hasn't tried to investigate other explanations.

An example of a popular self-diagnosis is MCAS: Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. MCAS specialists are overwhelmed by self-diagnosed patients trying to get appointments who have never even have a tryptase blood test. If you go on to any subreddit or forum for chronic health conditions you will find a large number of people there have been convinced they have MCAS, and new members are told they might have MCAS too.

This is creating a separate fatigue among providers who need to keep their guard up at all times so they can maintain focus on the patients who really have these conditions instead of letting their schedules get destroyed by patients who don't. It's a hard problem.

switchbak•34m ago
I've heard so many stories, and have had so much recent close experience of those stories not ending on a high note. It's nice to hear that Burnt Sushi's and your wife's experience do sometimes end in a very positive way.
burntsushi•6m ago
Ooof, really sorry to hear that. I'm glad she ultimately got the treatment she needed.

In my case, the misdiagnosis up front was entirely reasonable. The generalized anxiety disorder diagnosis from my PCP made a lot of sense given what was happening. I hadn't had delusions yet at that point. It was... a mixture of panic attacks, night sweats, jaw pain and a greatly increased level of anxiety compared to my baseline.

My PCP did run a bevy of tests (chest x-ray, and took tons of blood) to try and rule out anything biological.

Given what was known at the time, I think my PCP did the right thing. And when my symptoms really escalated (delusions, suicidal ideation, falling and hitting my head), my PCP suggested going to an ER. And that's what we did.

I think it was the ER that really dropped the ball. Given the sudden onset of everything, the fact that they didn't get me in front of a neurologist is, in retrospect, really quite baffling. That's when I went to a psychiatric hospital, where I spent 3 nights.

I only got out of that hospital due to a total luck. My neighbor was old college buddies with a neurosurgeon. (We had no idea about it. It just came up randomly when my neighbor was dropping my son off at home for us.) That was the critical connection because he ended up talking to the neurology department at Brigham and Women's, then talked to the psychiatric hospital and was the one who facilitated my transfer.

My wife tried to do it on her own but they wouldn't allow it because I had been medically cleared. She had to give 3 days notice to pull me out. Or otherwise, by default, I would see a neurologist after 2 weeks. According to the psychiatric facility.

I really don't know if I would have made it that long. The encephalitis wouldn't have killed me, but I was in an extremely dark place.

I'm also really lucky that this is an autoimmune disorder that has a pretty objective diagnostic criteria: a positive antibody test in your cerebral spinal fluid. You just need to have your spine tapped to get that though. Fun times.

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I was recently diagnosed with anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis

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