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Those are currently suffering from high power draw because they have to keep the cores awake for memory speeds. Lackluster performance as well, but thats the problem with the majority of the ARM ecosystem ever since apple started crafting SoCs.

KetoManx64•2d ago

Other than this situation, what other landmines are there? I have an M1 with Asahi Arch Linux that I've been using as my primary laptop for the last 8 months, its my favorite laptop by far out of the 5ish I have.

grigio•1d ago

does suspend and other hw fully works on it? however it is an old gen computer

trvz•1h ago

The M1 is still perfectly fine.

jjtheblunt•1h ago

i run linux on both in arch and fedora versions with zero problems, by using the hypervisor framework of macos and wsl2 (wrapper for hyperv). do you need a more direct than hypervisor access to some hardware?

officeplant•32m ago

A lot of us would prefer MS/Apple to never be within touching range of our hardware.

dhosek•2m ago

On the other hand, your “us” is not very big compared to your “not us.” I like Linux as a server OS (and would pick it over Windows or MacOS for that any day of the week that ends in y), but as a desktop OS it’s just more work than I care to exert (in fact, Windows also exceeds my tolerance for fiddliness in a desktop OS). My general preference is for “you don’t have to” over “you can” as much as possible which is the exact opposite of the Linux desktop experience.

ux266478•51m ago

Pretty much all ARM platforms are. Even ARM devices designed from the ground up to be Linux devices are full of issues, like the MNT Pocket Reform's lack of HW suspend. The tight interop between vendor and implementation is a huge anti-pattern for software freedom, and the standardization initiatives like ARM SR are nowhere to be seen. It's probably the most problematic part of ARM being the future of personal computing, yet another impending manifestation of enshittification.

pjmlp•33m ago

Most computers have been like that, FOSS got lucky that IBM failed to secure the PC for themselves, thus the PC clones.

When folks say Intel and AMD are done, and we should all be on ARM, or RISC-V, beware of what to wish for.

Yes there are device trees now, however someone has to keep them up to date, and that is only part of what makes a motherboard.

ChrisArchitect•1d ago

Source: https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/116719749555082...

Teever•1d ago

I wish the EU would regulate this kind of stuff.

A consumer shouldn't be restricted from installing their own OS on a device that they bought, be it a smartphone, tablet, laptop, desktop, or server.

A company the size of Apple should also be required to release proper documentation that enables the porting of operating systems to these kinds of devices.

The reverse engineering work that the Asahi team did is remarkable but so much of it is ultimately busy work that didn't need to be done if we regulated the consumer electronics market appropriately.

hulitu•1d ago

> A consumer shouldn't be restricted from installing their own OS on a device that they bought

That is not what the industry, that pays lobby money, wants. They want to be able to control what the user runs and extract profits.

hnav•1h ago

The EU is probably going to want tight control over users like any other government body. Bring your own software runs counter to that.

carlosjobim•1h ago

The EU is not some kind of god that will make others do your bidding if you pray enough to them. You've been misguided into following a false religion.

For every niche thing you wish that Apple or other third parties do only for your own enjoyment, there are hundreds of millions of other people who want different niche things. Buy the products that suit your needs and wants, and companies have incentive to make them. And if no company wants to provide a feature or function that you know a huge portion of people will want, then you have a golden opportunity to start a business providing this.

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GuestFAUniverse•1d ago

macOS 27 Golden Cage /s

On the other hand I doubt that's intentional. Even as an avid Apple critic I want to mention that people I trust and are more involved with Asahi, always pointed out that Asahi received the occasional little help from Apple devs where possible (surely, not with official documentation, or confidential infos).

So, I would wait until things had time to calm down and not get too invested with Apple bashing.

vsgherzi•1d ago

It seems like this is a bug, apple went through the trouble to allow something like asahi to be possible in the first place. I doubt they're purposely trying to break it.

amelius•1h ago

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wpm•1h ago

If the happy path disappears, the not-so-happy path will be taken to allow for booting custom kernels, one that will likely rely on turning the some or a lot of the RE energy towards breaking the Secure Enclave, the bootloader, and so on. Apple practically laid the red carpet out to avoid people trying to crack the parts of the hardware/software chain-of-trust they would really rather not have cracked. A similar strategy helped keep the Xbox One un-pwned for over a decade (running homebrew was allowed in a specific mode). It is doubtful Apple's legal department isn't aware of the value of the current software strategy.

CjHuber•30m ago

So isn't that just purely security by obscurity then? Would they not rather have someone publicly break it instead of selling a zero day?

kmeisthax•1h ago

No, if their lawyers want it gone, Apple will just update the bootloader to reject local signing keys.

The actual problem was that Apple has an undocumented APFS key for if a volume is bootable, which Asahi wasn't setting and Apple wasn't checking, but now they do, so they do.

AKSF_Ackermann•1h ago

Apparently fixed already, or will be fixed soon. https://social.treehouse.systems/@chaos_princess/11672546441...