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Building agents without harness engineering

https://rajitkhanna.com/agents/
21•rajit•4h ago

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stopachka•58m ago
Interesting idea! Question:

> It is highly unlikely that an AI agent startup becomes wealthy by creating the best harness for a particular use case.

If it's not the harness, what do you think is the thing that will differentiate AI agent startups? Is it mainly data, or something else?

rajit•34m ago
The most valuable pieces of information an AI agent startup can gather is access to their customer's proprietary data and knowledge of their customers preferences (memory + self-learning).

Even as the cost of writing code goes to zero, those two pieces of information are non-commodities.

adamtaylor_13•48m ago
I thought the entire industry is moving toward harness engineering? I read this twice and didn't fully understand what it was telling me.
rajit•37m ago
Thanks for the feedback. The main idea is that today to built a best-in-class agent, developers build the agent loop, session management, tools, memory, skills, automations (cron + trigger-based), sandboxed deployment, and self-learning.

By providing Hermes with a system prompt, custom tools, and skills, developers get the agent loop, session management, automations, sandboxed deployment, and self-learning for free.

usernametaken29•11m ago
But effectively they’re deferring harness engineering onto another developer?? I don’t understand how this is different than any other library, ever
jadar•31m ago
If you re-use the Hermes agent, what are the cost and security implications? One Docker container per-customer sounds like it would be really expensive. Are they started on-demand, or run 24/7? What keeps users from using the agents for general purpose tasks, protects against prompt-injection, etc?
rajit•19m ago
> what are the cost and security implications?

Cost is the token usage and container uptime.

> One Docker container per-customer sounds like it would be really expensive.

The advantage is per-user memory and self-learning. For context, Claude Managed Agents uses one sandbox per session: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/managed-agents/environme....

> Are they started on-demand, or run 24/7?

24/7 (best for customer-facing chat products).

> What keeps users from using the agents for general purpose tasks, protects against prompt-injection, etc?

Users define their agent with a system prompt, tool definitions, and skills (which separate a media generation agent from a people search agent). We use Openrouter which has a prompt injection detection feature: https://openrouter.ai/docs/guides/features/guardrails/prompt....

HPMOR•23m ago
I'm curious who the ideal customer of this should be. If we're a startup with our own harness, are we a good fit? What would qualify us or disqualify us from being a good user?
rajit•13m ago
Developers with customer-facing chat products are the ideal customer.

If a startup has a specific flow they want the agent to take and their traffic is bursty, then I'd recommend using a framework like Mastra and deploying onto a sandbox.

For long-running always on agents where it's important to learn the users preferences overtime, our approach is the highest ROI.

ayxliu•12m ago
I think startups are a great fit. Getting a really good agent out of the box lets you scale and give your customers value fast. All you need to think about is the business logic: system prompts, tools to give the agent, skills, etc. You won't need to spend time on building the infra layer, orchestration loops, memory, implementing automations, etc.
sidhusmart•21m ago
But isn’t that the same as using Claude agent sdk minus maybe the memory features? What I mean to say is that you could pick the latest one and switch when another better one rolls out?

We’re using Claude agent sdk right now to rollout an internal agent factory. We haven’t hit the memory issue yet but I do use Hermes as a personal agent and can see where it fits you.

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