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Slightly reducing the sloppiness of AI generated front end

https://envs.net/~volpe/blog/posts/reduce-slop.html
44•FergusArgyll•1h ago

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abraxas•1h ago
I think this says more about "modern" UI than it does about AI slop. The awfulness of all this comes mostly from the fact that widgets no longer have consistent shape, theme or interaction behaviour ever since desktop paridigms and original Xerox/Parc research were abandoned in favour of web slop. So yeah, this is much more Web Slop than AI Slop. AI is just amplifying it.
Retr0id•1h ago
Continuing in that vein, it'd be interesting to see a Win98 version.

Edit: https://retr0.id/stuff/deslop/

ghrl•17m ago
That's refreshingly usable and not-slop-looking, nice additional style.
vitalyan1234•7m ago
i love this so much it's unreal
voxleone•53m ago
Qt is heavily represented in training data. Qt has existed for decades and the model has likely seen Qt tutorials, screenshots, source code, discussions, etc. As a result, "Qt application" is a highly coherent concept in the latent space. "Qt app" is almost like a named distribution.
iqihs•50m ago
as someone with little to no design background they all look the same to me except the bloated sass which is clearly inferior

is there a way to quantifiably measure how much better one design would be from another?

wuliwong•44m ago
This article is purely subjective. I'm sure there are some academics that could explain ways to objectively score usability but this article is purely subjective.
llm_nerd•41m ago
No. It's completely subjective.

The whole "AI slop" noise is, at its core, human slop. It is people applying a hopefully pejorative label, trying to appeal to other slop aficionados that like whatever the current trendy slur is, in an objectively undefinable way.

In this case this guy likes the way Qt apps, they think it looks better, but it isn't a big trick they are revealing: They made it conform to the style they like, but this doesn't translate to anyone else in any measurable way. I think web apps looking like Qt apps feel like the late 90s and it's just weird, but my taste also is entirely subjective and mine alone.

wuliwong•47m ago
My experience with this is 180 degrees opposite. It's been really easy to create really nice UIs for all kinds of one-off apps I've made for myself with AI. In fact, it has been one of the most fun parts of this whole AI thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
singingtoday•38m ago
This has also been my experience. I do find it takes a review pass with a direction including things like "make sure text isn't overlapping." "Make sure text isn't overflowing out of buttons" - I find that's a really common one.
itake•35m ago
Any chance you could share screenshots?

Even the example apps in the post seemed like AI slop to me. Common markers are too noisy/busy (mainly repeated or rephrased information). Text being a bit too big (Codex-only?).

swiftcoder•47m ago
To me the "AI slop" mostly just looks like the last decade of SaaS products.

Do the landing pages of auth0.com, devcycle.com, micro.com, or datadog.com not look like slop to other people?

mywittyname•45m ago
I've been doing this recently - working with Qt on a local app.

I've had good luck providing a png "design board" with all of the template colors and having the first task be to build out a design gallery with all of the ui widget. Then have the design docs specify which component to use. Ensure that the documents specify to only use pre-existing components and have a list of each component and their intended use cases.

Of course, this learning came after seeing how awful V1 of the app was. Initially, it looked really impressive, but once you started clicking around it became obvious how incoherent the design was.

Claude's new frontend-design plugin is solid for web apps in my testing. My wife and I have been using it to build her an app and her discerning design eye is largely impressed with what it's done.

kingkongjaffa•31m ago
Does anyone have good examples of well designed web applications - not landing pages or peoples tech blogs, which are often listed here on HN. But like actual applications that do a complex task with the user using it as a tool.
crazysim•3m ago
https://www.mcmaster.com/ has a reputation
ramesh31•28m ago
Tailwind is the answer. Always pure Tailwind, not custom classes + utilities. It makes a massive difference vs. stylesheets. The LLM is able to actually reason about your UI in discrete chunks with a semantic layer over the styling, vs. bouncing back and forth between CSS/HTML and trying to reason about custom classes generated on the fly.
iSnow•27m ago
Obviously this is a personal preference, but the multiple layers of beveled grey on the Qt UI is not something I like, as it forces a lot of grouping on the eye where it doesn't serve any purpose.

I would go with the original, Apple or the Win11 one. Material would be good, what's with the lavender shades?

I always try to reduce the palette: say two background shades max, no drop shadows, only as many foreground colors as needed and if it seems to bland, add more bells and whistles.

stabbles•24m ago
This begs for a modern version of https://csszengarden.com/, where the CSS is generated by different LLMs and prompts.
mft_•16m ago
Can you quantify what it is you don’t like? Like, to my eyes ‘original’ is fine - and it’s very similar to ‘QT’ expect with rounded corners and brighter colours.
LucidLynx•8m ago
>> Slop is not a distinct style, it can be overlaid on top of many others. Even when I got it to make a page to look like X, it looked like X with slop.

Today, I can visit a website and instantly tell it was generated using LLMs and agents from A to Z:

1. Everything is in blue or mauve gradient, with a white background, and a single JavaScript-heavy page that lags as soon as you scroll a little.

2. There are always a ton of 404 pages.

3. Third, the HTML comments often expose credentials and to-do lists—sometimes even right above the login page (true story...).

This kind of website is a hard pass for me, and I add the company (and its founders) to my personal blacklist of people and companies I’ll never use anything from.

jstummbillig•4m ago
I don't think that is true, in the way that it always wasn't: How would you be able to tell when it's done properly?

Think WordPress installations: Depending on how it's done you can either tell at a glance (probably ~90% of WP installations at some points in time) or you have no clue until you look at the html source.

Of course the option to not do it properly is always alluring and then you can tell.

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