What does an open source project get from this? Supporting s390x can be a pain. Their CI instances are over provisioned and time-out, sometimes odd failures due to the odd architecture, maybe performance issues. That's more headaches and toil from volunteers. So besides the bragging rights (I guess?) and discovering latent bugs exposed by the exotic architecture, what's in it for a project to deal with this extra architecture
xxpor•59m ago
What does an open source dev get out of their work at all? Satisfaction?
For the "traditional" open source model of give away the software and sell the support, s390x customers could be fantastic customers: love paying for support, lots of $$$, super sticky once you get them.
But yeah for a random indie dev the PITA makes it harder.
skissane•54m ago
> what's in it for a project to deal with this extra architecture
You’d be surprised the number of companies who really want to run something on an obscure platform, and will pay $$$ to port stuff to it. Often the thing being ported isn’t even open source, it is some proprietary product, but that proprietary product has open source dependencies, and so someone ends up paid to port them to the obscure platform, to even try to upstream the port if the maintainers will take it.
Years ago, I knew of a small company which sold a CMS (I was going to work for them, but the job fell through when they couldn’t pay me enough); the CMS was proprietary, but it ran on an open source stack (LAMP). Some random customer said they’d only buy it if it was ported to IBM i (PASE, the AIX emulation environment), and they were willing to pay for the port, so it happened.
Later on, I worked for Oracle, and ended up on a project to port some ERP-related product to AIX - all because we had a big customer willing to pay millions for this product, but only if we made it run on AIX. And in the process I found an AIX-specific bug in JNA (the open source Java FFI library), and ended up helping the JNA developers to fix it
znort_•11m ago
this literally is about ibm providing free cloud infrastructure and offering support for the community. what failures are you talking about? s390x is not an "exotic" architecture by any stretch and is pretty top-notch in terms of availability, reliance and performance, which is why it is still in use. the incentives both for the community supporting it and the manufacturer supporting the community seem pretty evident to me.
rdtsc•1h ago
xxpor•59m ago
For the "traditional" open source model of give away the software and sell the support, s390x customers could be fantastic customers: love paying for support, lots of $$$, super sticky once you get them.
But yeah for a random indie dev the PITA makes it harder.
skissane•54m ago
You’d be surprised the number of companies who really want to run something on an obscure platform, and will pay $$$ to port stuff to it. Often the thing being ported isn’t even open source, it is some proprietary product, but that proprietary product has open source dependencies, and so someone ends up paid to port them to the obscure platform, to even try to upstream the port if the maintainers will take it.
Years ago, I knew of a small company which sold a CMS (I was going to work for them, but the job fell through when they couldn’t pay me enough); the CMS was proprietary, but it ran on an open source stack (LAMP). Some random customer said they’d only buy it if it was ported to IBM i (PASE, the AIX emulation environment), and they were willing to pay for the port, so it happened.
Later on, I worked for Oracle, and ended up on a project to port some ERP-related product to AIX - all because we had a big customer willing to pay millions for this product, but only if we made it run on AIX. And in the process I found an AIX-specific bug in JNA (the open source Java FFI library), and ended up helping the JNA developers to fix it
znort_•11m ago