That's always an issue, but the industry seems to be moving away from 2D circuits.
Reducing trace length seems to be the way forward for faster/larger circuits. Signal propagation time on-die is becoming an issue.
Things like Huawei's Logic folding, or TSVs, and so on, attack the issue by reducing signal travel time.
This looks like another building block in that direction.
There's also some push at cooling chips from both sides.
deepsun•32m ago
If heat is produced by conductors resistance then shorter paths would lead to less heat produced.
ben_w•21m ago
I'm not certain (never did hardware), but I thought the transistor switching cost was one of the bigger sources of energy loss, not internal conductor resistance between transistors?
deepsun•15m ago
Makes sense, I also doubt that they haven't minimized resistance to minimum already.
IshKebab•6m ago
You're correct. Dynamic power consumption depends heavily on frequency, but it's definitely more of a limiting factor than static power consumption which as I understand it (I'm also not an expert) is mainly important for things like low power microcontrollers.
mota7•4m ago
Heat is mostly driven by leakage current and gate capacitance.
The big issue today is leakage currents. They typical account for around 30%-50% of total chip thermal budget, and they get increasingly difficult to control with smaller devices and lower voltages. They're also get worse with increased temperature(!).
The stacked devices here aren't the worst for leakage currents, but they're not fantastic either. Look at the 2nd graph in section 5: You'll see that the current never drops to zero over the range of gate-source voltages (for V_DS=0.7V). The minimum point is the best-case leakage current, and you can see it's well above zero! (The units on the vertical axis of the graph are unknown btw: The label reads as "current drain-source, arbitrary units")
armitron•1h ago
This seems like it could accelerate the transition to sub-1nm nodes (previously projected to mid 2030s), maybe by the end of this decade.
RicoElectrico•1h ago
arein3•1h ago
ortusdux•1h ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48510375
juancn•51m ago
Reducing trace length seems to be the way forward for faster/larger circuits. Signal propagation time on-die is becoming an issue.
Things like Huawei's Logic folding, or TSVs, and so on, attack the issue by reducing signal travel time.
This looks like another building block in that direction.
There's also some push at cooling chips from both sides.
deepsun•32m ago
ben_w•21m ago
deepsun•15m ago
IshKebab•6m ago
mota7•4m ago
The big issue today is leakage currents. They typical account for around 30%-50% of total chip thermal budget, and they get increasingly difficult to control with smaller devices and lower voltages. They're also get worse with increased temperature(!).
The stacked devices here aren't the worst for leakage currents, but they're not fantastic either. Look at the 2nd graph in section 5: You'll see that the current never drops to zero over the range of gate-source voltages (for V_DS=0.7V). The minimum point is the best-case leakage current, and you can see it's well above zero! (The units on the vertical axis of the graph are unknown btw: The label reads as "current drain-source, arbitrary units")