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The AI Superforecasters Are Here

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-ai-superforecasters-are-here
29•surprisetalk•2h ago

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datadrivenangel•52m ago
If the forecasting models were so good that people were actually consistently beating prediction markets, they wouldn't be starting startups to be selling it.

And even if it is good enough, once you're shelling out thousands of dollars a year in research costs, does that give you any remaining alpha?

glimshe•33m ago
You got it (I was going to say "nailed it" but that's becoming an LLM marker).

This is exactly what I feel about a lot of the paid investment advice out there. Compounding can make any decent alpha worth a ton, to the point that these people would be investment bankers and not advisors if they knew what they were talking about.

exe34•31m ago
Same with get rich quick books.
mc32•19m ago
With one exception : if it teaches you how to put out get rich quick content (books or otherwise).
ChrisMarshallNY•24m ago
There was an old ad for eTrade that basically said that: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQ_W4p1XKY
jknoepfler•27m ago
Yes, but have you considered the performance of a few lucky outliers? Catch 'em fast before they regress to the mean!
energy123•25m ago
They do. One guy with at least 7 figure PnL is a well known forecaster, SemioticRivalry.
datadrivenangel•19m ago
Only news article I found on that suggests the guy is mostly just market making against bets he thinks are dumb? No mention of AI.
gwern•15m ago
> And even if it is good enough, once you're shelling out thousands of dollars a year in research costs, does that give you any remaining alpha?

That's precisely why you would want to make a startup to get investment now rather than self-fund and bootstrap. That alpha isn't going to last forever, especially because everyone has access to the frontier LLMs, which keep getting better, and will eventually beat your fancy harness or specialized finetune.

And also, perhaps more importantly, so you can start developing an alternative to prediction markets and become the new PM; as Scott notes, with superforecaster AI, it's unclear why you really need Kalshi or Manifold or anyone else, with all their fees and overhead. Leave them to the degens, and carve off the socially useful part to do much more efficiently - tokens are cheaper than transactions! This is the big prize, but you need to start now before someone else does it better or commoditizes it.

citizenpaul•14m ago
The market of trading is smaller than the market of business. I don't think most people have ever actually tried trading for real. The frequency with which you can put in a buy/sell order and nothing happens. Then you raise/lower the price several times and nothing still happens because nobody wants to buy or sell at a price that makes you money is much higher than you would imagine. If you've never tried it yourself.

That said, the very concept of selling such information means that it would eliminate any edge and become zero profit anyway.

davedx•11m ago
That only happens if you're trading very illiquid stocks.
fer•14m ago
Agree, to an extent. The link certainly smells like an ad. If the predictions are on lower volume markets (i.e. no institutional investors with actual quants behind) the compounding power stops. Also that means it can't beat institutional investors. So the reasonable option is to monetize what you can.
povik•9m ago
If a model demonstrates being good by winning on prediction markets I may want to ask the same model questions which are too niche to have markets. That said I don't know if niche questions are enough of a revenue stream to be interesting for model providers.

Perhaps they may enforce a knowledge cut-off for information retrieval and price the service based on how recent the cut-off is, and also use the cut-off as a way to guard their advantage on the markets.

alecco•43m ago
This new forecasting industry is pushed by very dirty people.
AIorNot•31m ago
For Pete’s sake lets outlaw prediction markets already instead of hyping them in crappy greed-posts like this one

I am embarrassed this “rationalist, I’m so much smarter than you, so I know better” asshole Scott Alexander hasn't been skewered yet for promotion of gambling (prediction markets) that people like Trumps son are making millions of on

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/...

guelo•25m ago
We elected con man so we're becoming a swindler nation. In a just world the Andreesen David Sacks types would be in jail stripped of all their money.
estetlinus•29m ago
I kinda like Taleb’s take on forecasters; get another job.
recitedropper•27m ago
Tell me you don't understand Taleb without telling me you don't understand Taleb.
glimshe•24m ago
I used AI to forecast that AI forecasters won't beat the market. We can move on now.
pfortuny•17m ago
This is not even dumb. Unbelievable coming from act....
brcmthrowaway•17m ago
So this person was known for thoughtful blog posts, but has since become a total AI booster. It's probably a gonzo-like effect through the various subcultures he aims to explore, but it paints a very bad picture of them. Imagine if Louis Theroux became a scientologist.
jrowen•16m ago
Is there a future where AI takes all of these no-value arbitrage games to their limit and there is no longer a market for this type of behavior?

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