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France's Anssi Will Block PQC-Free Products from Certification Starting 2027

https://postquantum.com/security-pqc/anssi-pqc-certification-2027/
57•Sami_Lehtinen•3h ago

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cold_pizz4•2h ago
Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48992806 (Are 128-bit symmetric keys really secure against quantum computers?)
vaadu•2h ago
Will they decertify previously certified PQC-free products?
roblabla•2h ago
Qualification is time-constrained. You are qualified for two to three years. So by 2030, all qualified products will be PQC-free.
close04•2h ago
> So by 2030, all qualified products will be PQC-free.

You mean the opposite. PQC-free will be blocked, so by 2030 all products will be PQC qualified.

tsimionescu•2h ago
I'm very curious how much people will look back on this frenzy of PQC migration panic by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs. The decade plus of even slower TLS negotiation that this will bring in the name of "security", after so much time spent previously on improving encrypted connection latency, will seem quite comical, at least.
exmadscientist•2h ago
Agreed. This looks from the outside like someone read a report, got unnecessarily spooked, and now the rest of the herd is following along.

But it's also very possible that hypothetical report was genuinely concerning. We just haven't seen it or anything like it.

However I'm pretty firmly in the "quantum computing won't be doing anything useful any time soon, if ever" camp, so that definitely colors my opinions. I don't have any particular recent expertise to support that, but I did used to share an office with some serious QC people and go to their talks so... make of my words what you will.

Sayrus•2h ago
It really depends on the market you are targeting and your threat model. If your threat model allows future decryption of the data by a passive listener, then you don't need to rush for PQC. If you are worried about your communications being archived for future decryption, then you need to deploy PQC now even if QCs aren't developed for decades (or ever).

The assumption that you care about this is baked into ANSSI certifications, otherwise you would usually not bother certifying your product. They warned in 2022 that they would do this (See Phase 2: https://messervices.cyber.gouv.fr/guides/en-anssi-views-post...) and will allow PQC-only algorithm no earlier than 2030.

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colmmacc•39m ago
I was at ANSSI headquarters last year doing a technical presentation and several of their questions were about Post-Quantum Cryptography, "Q day" (when a practical Quantum Computer is expected) and other related things. They keep a close eye on this stuff and it's to their credit. Similarly the BSI in Germany have been promoting Post-Quantum security for some time now.

I work at AWS, where we have been deploying Post-Quantum Cryptography for quite some time and have experts. We're making easier than ever, but the sudden changes in deadlines do make me wonder how many companies are going to have to spend more time than they'd planned on migrations and settings. The "context switch" of working on PQ can be quite expensive. Most tech people have no idea what ML-KEM, ML-DSA, or HQC are, or how to not worry about SHA, HMAC, or AES. It's going to be a ride!

1h ago
You prepare for the 9.0 earthquake that can happen once in 500 years because it is a 9.0 earthquake and if you haven't prepared your society is dead, not because you think it will most likely happen in your lifetime.
ErroneousBosh•19m ago
> by 2050 when, my bet, there still won't be any remotely viable QCs

I hate to be that guy, but I'm 52 now and I've been hearing about how Quantum Computing is going to revolutionise everything in the next two years, since I was in primary school and ZX81s were state-of-the-art.

At least a couple of manufacturers offered a practical and afforable(-ish) transputer-based system in the 80s that you could have actually gone out and bought.

ginko•2m ago
Transputers have nothing to do with quantum computing. They're completely classical computers.

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