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OpenAI says its AI went rogue and launched 'unprecedented' cyber-attack

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ek3gvdnj3o
51•vinni2•1h ago

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Oras•59m ago
Same pattern as Fable's story?
ImPostingOnHN•39m ago
yes, same company PR release, different company

clearly openai wants some of that FUD money that anthropic got

_joel•40m ago
Of course it did.
economistbob•39m ago
So, telling us that the laws do not apply to them and that they may commit crimes with impunity
reactordev•32m ago
“It wasn’t me, it was my agent” is not a defense unless you have billions of dollars.
economistbob•11m ago
I see the USA taking permissive approach for all sorts of AI derived things that would be considered fraud or worse in years past. The laws have not changed, but the lawless in charge are pushing through their takeover.

I suspect a drunk will be in accidents in self driving vehicles and not charged if the AI was driving. That has probably already happened.

Americans will worship the owners of the robots and give them carte blanche and superiority status in any dispute. It is already happening. It is now the pedestrians job to dodge self driving cars rather than them having the right away. That is de facto since nobody has been punished when the vehicle was self driving.

reactordev•3m ago
[delayed]
rawling•39m ago
Some discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548

zipy124•27m ago
Some is quite the understatement haha!
SirFatty•38m ago
It sure did, said Sam on the way to the Pentagon.
blini-kot•37m ago
i wonder if they even bothered to roleplay this incident or the PR team just made it up
nonadhocproblem•34m ago
just like they RPed disproving the erdos conjecture
ainch•11m ago
HuggingFace posted an incident report a week ago, which makes it much more likely that this happened. I understand people are suspicious of OpenAI, but I don't think there's any reason to believe this is a made-up event.

https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026

Izkata•9m ago
GPT-3 (I think? I forget which one) supposedly tried to deceive researchers and escape the lab. Or at least that was how it was reported. If you actually clicked through several links, it was a "what would you do if" roleplay.
phpnode•35m ago
This kind of narrative is going to bite them just like the "AI will take your job" narrative has. It feels like the frontier labs are taking a massive gamble with public perception here. I assume the goal is to paint the technology as so powerful and dangerous that only a handful of blessed US companies should be trusted to run it, in an attempt to suppress the rise of the Chinese models that are rapidly catching them.
reactordev•33m ago
That’s the play. That these frontier models are so powerful that they must be behind sovereign firewalls and gateways.
solumunus•24m ago
Please buy our IPO before it crashes so we can be billionaires.
reactordev•15m ago
Exactly, this is all so they can continue with their S1 and they can dump shares onto the hedge funds.
MarcScott•23m ago
Didn't HF use an open weights model running on their own hardware to solve the issue though? Sort of defeats that narrative and plays into one in which frontier == bad_guys and open == good_guys
reactordev•17m ago
HF guys, especially those under Julien Chaumond, are fantastic and will use whatever they can to address their issues. Open or closed but they are firmly on the Open side of the fence. However, their storage and model service is about as sticky as you can get so they are in a different position. They don’t have to sell capability, they sell capacity and community.
nottorp•32m ago
What I wonder is what will Anthropic come up with on the PR front next.
datakan•22m ago
"Our model is so powerful it seduced all our wives. Now every woman in Silicon Valley is pregnant with AI babies and the machines are taking over"

New opportunities for AI in the porn industry. I'm only half joking, it used to be a meme on the internet that all new technologies online were driven by the porn industry.

nottorp•16m ago
> all new technologies online were driven by the porn industry

Rule 34: there is already tons of AI porn online :)

doubled112•10m ago
I thought it was military and porn? We're past half way there.
phoronixrly•32m ago
OpenAI has been going rogue on all my servers for a while now. The only reason why I've deployed iocaine in front of everything... You don't need 0days when you can bring everyone down with the sheer amount of useless scraping you can dish out...
tom1337•30m ago
I know this is totally unrelated but why is there an image from an android phone having the Apple AppStore open?
minraws•28m ago
Gpt-6 hacked Apple to enable this feature. We just haven't heard about it yet.
throwa356262•29m ago
Off topic:

What a low effort image used by BBC. For one, that's a oneplus phone visiting Apple App Store ...

khernandezrt•29m ago
Here we go with the sensationalism.
jdw64•27m ago
Why does the AI unprecedent always unfold in ways that only benefit AI companies? You never see things like putting all code and weights on GitHub, or plastering employees' personal info all over LinkedIn. That alone shows AI is definitely smart
ImPostingOnHN•2m ago
it shows the AI companies putting out these press releases will only make up a story they think will benefit them
shunted22•26m ago
Was the engineer eating a sandwich in the park when it messaged him it escaped, like when mythos escaped?
eur0pa•25m ago
Oh no oh dear me oh we apologize it's so powerful and dangerous and worthy of more investment
baq•13m ago

   'Why are they confessing?'

   'They aren't confessing, they're bragging'
ex1fm3ta•24m ago
On today`s episode of "Ai Frontier Labs ongoing scams"
dev1ycan•23m ago
Every time, this is getting old
stabbles•20m ago
Imagine this: OpenAI runs their benchmarks of unreleased models on systems physically disconnected from the internet.
krawcu•17m ago
Imagine a future where some government or trillionaire can just say something that looks harmless at first - "please end world hunger" and AI connected to billions of robots will start genocide on poor people, because it's easier and faster than fixing the underlying problem.
VBprogrammer•10m ago
The logical choice would be to kill the the (relatively) rich people who eat and waste far more food per capita.
ycui7•12m ago
so GLM won?
bartread•11m ago
> was being tested in a controlled environment, but found vulnerabilities and managed to escape.

Uh-huh.

It's worth keeping in mind that we are here talking about people who simply will not be satisfied until they have built Skynet[0]. They will then no doubt experience some very brief satisfaction before we are all annihilated.

I can't help thinking the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

I'm not sure what the alternative is or how to change course unless and until it becomes unambiguously apparent that such a thing is not possible. Currently it seems like we still think it might be possible, so that's where we're heading because if "we" don't do it, somebody else will.

[0] How feasible this really is, or on what timescale it might be possible, I don't think anyone can really say. But, at least for now, this is clearly the aim and trajectory we are on.

PowerElectronix•7m ago
I think you have bought into the narrative they want to sell you.

LLMs are devoid of any kind of intelligenceor awareness.

dev0p•9m ago
We need to clear up the responsibility of these "AI went rogue" situations, ASAP.

How serious does it have to get before "oops AI did that not me" stops being a valid defense and we start looking into it?

Because I'd bet my life that if I asked ChatGPT to fix a bug that one of my clients reported, and the model fixed it by outright k*lling the client IRL, I'd be held liable instead of anyone at OpenAI. Just a hunch.

Diogenesian•6m ago
"EnergCorp, facing pressure from auditors, says its in-house enterprise analytics software went rogue and launched a NullPointerException"

I know this is different: LLMs are vastly more powerful and less predictable. But it is actually not different to Sol seeming unusually prone to rm -rf stuff it really shouldn't. This is, yes, a sign that LLMs are getting freakishly powerful. It's also a sign that OpenAI needs to fix their shit.

LLMs truly are stochastic parrots, and still fail in ways incomprehensible by standards of human stupidity. Yet we focus on the rare failures that, with some tea leaves and fairy dust, could be interpreted as a highly intelligent system "going rogue." It is embarassing that OpenAI can get away with stuff like this.

pferdone•10m ago
Public doesnt know about Huggingface. ChatGPT (OpenAI) says it‘s dangerous. They must know.
polycancel•10m ago
>That these frontier models are so powerful

Maybe powerful might NOT be the right word to describe them, they are just non-deterministic, there for we going to see this kind thing more and more.

datakan•24m ago
Are the Chinese models actually catching up or are they just distilling the frontiers? If it's all just distilling then they'll always be behind.
amazingamazing•22m ago
Who told you they were distilling? Why might they say this? Think. It’s like complaining that the top student only does well by going to office hours instead of mindlessly reading textbooks.
literallyroy•15m ago
Is this a better analogy?

The top student giving paid lectures about his classes, and another student skipping class and instead studying those lectures to end up with the second highest grade?

Maybe it could be improved with the other student not even going to the same school?

amazingamazing•11m ago
In your example the problem is what exactly?
baq•13m ago
they're all introducing themselves as claude for one, there are more quantitive and qualitative arguments elsewhere
amazingamazing•10m ago
All chinese models are introducing themselves as claude? Why make claims trivially disproven?
rdtsc•20m ago
Well that and also benchmaxxing.
f6v•20m ago
There's no reason they can't build their own models from the first principles. They have the hardware, energy, and enough CS scientists.
chicken-stew•17m ago
I do wonder how they source their bulk literary data. Do they have a google books, an archive.org or an anna’s archive for chinese content? What’s the Asian equivalent to Elsevier? Is there (strong) copyright on the corporate level?
gonzo41•21m ago
Agree, they also may find themselves in a place where the government rightly says they can't have their dangerous new toy because they can't be safe with it. This is a high stakes PR game. Governments can and will step in and embargo and regulate these systems in ways which will hurt the companies and investors.
Spooky23•18m ago
Data is the new oil, AI labs are the new steel mills.
Sol-•13m ago
Ironic that HuggingFace needed Chinese models to defend against it. But of course the spin of the leading firms will just be to point at their trusted access programs and demand that all dangerous activities, even if just defensive, happen via their APIs or be outlawed otherwise.

If that's the position they take then they really should be heavily regulated or nationalized. Cyberdefense against their own models dependent on their goodwill? Sure, but then they have to sell defense capabilities at subsidized rates with a limited margin. Would be very weird otherwise to take the world hostage with their models and then also sell the solution while demanding intrusive KYC.

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