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I Think You Might Be Fooling Yourself with AI

https://louwrentius.com/i-think-you-might-be-fooling-yourself-with-ai.html
56•louwrentius•2h ago

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foxyv•1h ago
I've noticed that you can either move very fast with AI, or very slow. Moving fast, you place a lot of trust in the agent and let it proceed and create something very quickly that works at a surface level and that you don't understand at all. Moving slow you take the time to ask questions and understand every part of the application and learn more about how to code it yourself and make changes as necessary.

One thing I've noticed is, that coding manually is exponentially more stressful than the slow AI approach. I'm not going any faster than I normally would, but the burnout doesn't show up on the fifth day of the week. The hyper-focus is kind of fun but utterly exhausting.

With the fast approach I can create impressive demos and POCs that are nowhere near ready for production. But sometimes that's exactly what I need.

dd8601fn•34m ago
I just spent multiple evenings talking through a small data model. With the massive number of misses the model had, I can’t imagine how bad it would have been if I had let it yolo the first design of its choice, to build on.

The requirements didn’t really change, opus just couldn’t see all the real world potential issues with its various suggestions.

But it was helpful for me to talk it out. So I guess it fell in the (very) slow category of productive use.

foxyv•5m ago
I've found that my requirements and acceptance criteria are much less clear than I think they are. AI reveals when you are being too vague, almost instantly sometimes.
gwerbin•2m ago
The rubber ducking potential is the first thing that got me interested in AI as a useful tool.

You do have to be very careful of when the AI might be confidently wrong, or leading you down some kind of weird narrow path.

When searching the web to gather info on a topic, all have a tendency to find 2-4 search results and fixate on those as if they represented the entire scope of the topic. No surprise about the fixation because that's kind of how LLMs work (X, Y, and Z are in context -> more tokens about X, Y, and Z). But you have to be aware of it, and I often have to prompt it to do another search and keep turning up more options.

solarkraft•28m ago
I love that you can mix these approaches. It lets me very quickly get a working prototype and then I can focus on optimizing the areas I care about / are having issues.
vadansky•24m ago
This, I'm working on a game engine as a hobby project. I can do one "big" feature over a weekend, most of it including designing and manual testing that it's working as expected, but then it takes me 2 weekends to break up the changes into smaller commits using jj, which also gives me the chance to review and understand the code myself. So it's a weird mix of fast and slow, but I think I've grown to prefer reviewing over writing so it works for a hobby project.
CharlesW•17m ago
> …but then it takes me 2 weekends to break up the changes into smaller commits using jj, which also gives me the chance to review and understand the code myself.

I just tell Claude Claude code, "commit all, grouping logically" after a tranche of work.

maccard•10m ago
Genuine question a why are you using AI for a hobby project like that? It seems like the worst of both worlds.
deadbabe•22m ago
I think almost anything you can build autonomously with a fully independent AI agent, you can build far better with the slow AI approach. It is a good trade off between the super fast agentic approach and the full manual approach, and leaves you with a codebase you can still reason about and find ways to improve.

Also, once you build something with slow AI, it becomes more practical to actually rewrite it by hand quickly and refactor it in a way that makes more sense for humans. It’s “humanwashing” the code.

gwerbin•6m ago
AI has been a big boost for my data science productivity.

I can have an agent put together a shitty prototype of something just to get a general idea of what I'm looking at, and save probably half a day of work and avoid physically typing potentially hundreds of lines of code. And I can rubber duck with it, and very quickly search through software packages and literature, produce summary reports, dig through my own company source code and wiki and Slack messages to figure out how some specific detail works, etc. These things are important but take my time and energy away from focusing on the hard parts of what I'm supposed to be doing.

My new favorite thing with AI is that my pile of random helper functions is now a thoughtfully-designed library with an extensive test suite for every single thing. I'm not auditing every line of code but I'm reading the plans carefully and I do take a glance at what the agent wrote before I start using it. Most of the time it's not perfect or it's ugly in some way I wouldn't have done, but it's good enough to do research with, and it's way better than what I could have put together by hand, and in much less time. I trust my own research results more because I can put together these kinds of helper libraries much faster, and if I have to make changes I have a big test suite to catch me when I make a mistake.

The only hard part is managing the context switching where instead of putting my work on pause to go write a helper routine, I now have to account for periodically interrupting my work in order to keep an eye on what the agent is doing. For now my approach has been to just ignore it for a while and then take a break to cycle through AI work sessions/chats.

notnullorvoid•5m ago
> One thing I've noticed is, that coding manually is exponentially more stressful than the slow AI approach.

I find the exact opposite. Typically the AI will make too many mistakes (even with latest advanced models), they usually aren't major/program breaking mistakes, but they still require fixing if I want to keep the code quality good enough, and make future changes possible without a falling house of cards. In order to describe the correct approach I have to write more English to describe the problem than the amount of code I could write myself. I could maybe see it working by writing rough pseudo code and having the AI translate, but then I loose out on any code analysis or tab completion as I write. It's also just innately frustrating to have to babysit and correct somethings work all the time. This all may be in part caused by the nature of my current work for the last couple years, which has mostly been on library code rather than application code.

I suspect I'd have a very different experience if I was working on CRUD related tasks like making new API endpoints, interfacing with a DB, or writing FE components. Not to make light of those tasks, I enjoy that work, though it is much more repetitive.

I agree with the parts about using AI to ask questions and gain better understanding though. I do that constantly for APIs and languages that I don't have a clear mental model of. It's like an interactive search.

Also agree on POCs, sometimes there are small tools, demos, or prototype features that I don't need to care deeply about.

hmokiguess•34m ago
Both things can be true.
xyzsparetimexyz•32m ago
I think it's very productive in areas that aren't economically impactful. Reverse engineering old windows games for example. Doing absurd ports between languages.
podgorniy•14m ago
> very productive in areas that aren't economically impactful

Writing emails and summarizing other emails...

zuzululu•26m ago
tired of this one dimensional articles that paint a wide brush, there are wide variety of AI uses and it absolutely has a productivity multiplying effect.
aogaili•22m ago
These articles are so off from reality to the point that it can't be taken seriously at all. I keep wondering how they keep popping at HN.

At least the author admit he is biased..

danesparza•18m ago
"These articles are so off from reality to the point that it can't be taken seriously at all"

So you disagree with the quote from Feynman? (the quote that forms the basis of the article)

I'm genuinely curious to know what part of the article you feel is "so far off from reality"?

cognitiveinline•16m ago
The part that says

> AI will just be turned off.

bwat49•10m ago
I've been seeing a lot of this in online discourse where people are like "the bubble's gonna pop and then this will all be over!"

it's a combination of wishlful thinking and straightup delusion to think that AI will just poof and disappear (maybe the specific LLM approach eventually, but not the general idea of AI/the industry/product as a whole)

danesparza•10m ago
Ah - near the bottom where he is disclosing his own bias. Got it.

So do you disagree that AI companies are in very large amounts of debt? And do you also disagree that debt will have real consequences (and one of those consequences might be either the lights going out or a buyout or merger)?

dcow•21m ago
AI costs aren’t going to stay this high. They will go down. Nobody is going to turn off AI, but they will care about making sure that we are reasonably efficient when using it. Compute that can happen locally will. Communities that responsibly want to build data centers are. Climate implications will be addressed by policy. People said the same about the internet 30 years ago… It’s not about raw productivity. It’s about perceived effort. If a job feels easier with AI assistance we’ll demand it. If AI checking a human’s work is more reliable than a human checking AI’s work (it is) that’s what we’ll deploy.
jackb4040•16m ago
> AI costs aren’t going to stay this high. They will go down.

People said this a year ago, then all the companies admitted they were incinerating cash and had to increase to token pricing. Consumers basically mutinied and managed to push back a bit, but that is the struggle right now - to keep prices from increasing 25+ times, not to see them decrease.

If you're premising this on some future technology like ASICs, even if that works out then we probably shouldn't be spending a trillion dollars on datacenters that it will make obsolete.

orangecat•10m ago
People said this a year ago

A year ago Opus 4.1 was $75 per million tokens, and now Opus 4.8 is $25 and Fable is $50.

runtime_terror•13m ago
> AI costs aren't going to stay this high

Why do you feel this way? Are you talking about frontier models from US companies or smaller weight open source models?

From the perspective of US companies, it seems pretty clear they're severely under water and will need some way to become profitable or risk collapse, so how else will they do that or they than jacking up prices or some unknown future miracle advancement?

I could see the argument applied to self-hosted/OSS models tho.

x3haloed•20m ago
I think you might be fooling yourself. Personal-plan subscription subsidies do not equate to "it's not viable, and all of it is about to be shut off." If that were true, then Kilo Code, Claude Code, Cline, Pi, and Command Code would not be occupying 5 of the top 10 apps using OpenRouter. People have purchased 20 trillion tokens this month already for coding on OpenRouter alone at full-price market rates.

Would you commission a study about whether cars are really a faster form of locomotion before deciding to purchase one?

There is empirical data right in front of your face. You're just choosing to exclude it because of where you already stand.

That's exactly what Feynman was warning about.

kelseyfrog•18m ago
It's like looking at the popularity of sports betting and concluding that it's a viable way to make money.
amarant•3m ago
And it is? Look at kindred group for example, they made >700 million GBP last year. seems viable enough to me!
Narciss•19m ago
Many improvements have come to AI that have reduced costs of inference and training, like sparse attention, and many more will arise in the future. To talk about the cost of AI right now versus the future is to talk about the first IBM computers versus the personal computing that appeared years later. The cost will go down. In fact that is what the major labs are definitely banking on.
jldugger•18m ago
> And I'm also standing by my own idea that AI will run out of money and just be turned off due to the huge operational cost.

Thats a pretty strong outcome. It implies that not only are GPUs that power AI too expensive long term, but they cost too much to operate even if they were free.

Seems to me the more likely outcome is a wave of dotCom style bankruptcies wiping out equity holders for companies who contracted to buy chips and datacenters at MSRP, and a second wave for the groups that step in after to operate whats left without the absurd financing charges and lower capex.

scotty79•15m ago
> even if they were free.

They are free. You can download glm-5.2 and run it on your own hardware. Even you got hardware for free, electricity would cost you more than the sub, in most places.

pwillia7•17m ago
Now imagine if this was written about the first steam engines being used inefficiently to pull coal up out the ground and pump out the water. It's so expensive -- is this really more effective than just hiring 50 men? We all know how that ended up...
chilmers•16m ago
This is the perfect archetype of an intellectually lazy anti-AI post. The author ends with his admission of bias, but he'd be better off starting with it, as it's clear that his reasoning flows entirely from it. AI is bad for productivity, says this single study from 2025. AI is unsustainable, says this article I found. AI will all just disappear one day... because I hope so?

Ironically, the author would have been better asking an LLM to write the article. At least it would have found better sources and developed more convincing arguments.

mholm•10m ago
The study itself from late 2025 is also written to be _highly_ favorable to non-ai usage. Developers on a codebase they're already experienced with, largely using these tools for the first time. Of course they aren't faster! They've already done the hard part! They're also open-source maintainers, which, ime, means they're already a cut above the average dev.

I'd be much more curious on a study that used regular developers on brand new-to-them codebases for significant features or migrations. I'm personally encountering what I'd describe as a 200%+ productivity boost.

duendefm•16m ago
I think it really depends on your knowledge and skill, and the kind of work you are using it for. It's hard to measure because the more you use it the more you lose some skills. But I have to admit that I can do much more parallel work when using the best models. It's messy, because sometimes I feel that I get lazier and just prompt them and go do some random stuff and sometimes even skip the part of verifying what they actually did meanwhile. But you can command AI to do massive stuff, you can get smart non developers to do useful work with them, it's really a new paradigm. One funny thing that I think people should consider more is pride in the code. If I code something by hand, like fully developing a service, I will get proud of seeing it work, I will attach to it like if it's my creation. That hardly happens if I use AI a lot.
ervine•8m ago
Yes! Everything else aside, whatever you think of its output and value, shipping largely AI-coded features now doesn't really give me the satisfaction that putting things together myself used to.

I'll just have to move up a level of abstraction to get that same feeling, I guess.

ChicagoDave•11m ago
These people keep citing that survey from 2025.

That kills all arguments from the article instantly.

December 2025 through today GenAI has become massively better. I’ve built things with Claude in contracted spans of time that would have been man-years in the before times.

tempfile•5m ago
>> although participating developers felt they completed tasks faster using AI, they where around 19% slower

> Maybe that was true in 2025, but it's clearly not true any more - I feel so productive now!

Even if you are right, this is a completely baseless argument. The people in the study felt the exact same way! And "it's 6 months old, so I won't listen to it" is an insanely high standard. You're eliminating all the evidence!

hsuduebc2•10m ago
These AI sceptics always omit the possibility that running LLMs could become much cheaper in the future, which it almost certainly will.

This is largely an infrastructure problem, and it will be solved just as similar problems were solved with storage, network capacity, and computing power.

There will be bankruptcies, but the technology will prevail, just as the web did after the dot com bubble. Personally, I see the loss of craft and practical skill, which can only be built through doing, as a much greater danger. I still practise LeetCode from time to time so I do not lose the ability to write code myself.

kalkin•10m ago
> Meanwhile, a study (late 2025) seems to report that although participating developers felt they completed tasks faster using AI, they where around 19% slower.

METR reran the study early this year and, while they caveat it, this time they found a speedup, which is consistent with subjective estimates of productivity also having increased -- the simplest explanation is that subjective estimates exaggerate, but there's still a speedup with current models: https://metr.org/blog/2026-02-24-uplift-update/#wider-adopti...

(Nobody seems to cite the followup since it's not such a fun counterintuitive finding.)

podgorniy•9m ago
Author does not draw full enough picture (by linearly projecting current trends). But still has good points. I liked the one where perceived "productivity" is compared against unsubsisdized token prices.
simonw•8m ago
I read this headline and thought "METR study"... and sure enough, a few paragraphs in:

> Meanwhile, a study (late 2025) seems to report that although participating developers felt they completed tasks faster using AI, they where around 19% slower.

I think you might be fooling yourself if you build your entire worldview concerning the productivity benefits of AI-assisted programming around that one study from one organization that confirms your priors.

tempfile•4m ago
What study do you base your worldview on?
rorykirchner•6m ago
I think you might be fooling yourself with stale data.
jgbuddy•6m ago
I honestly can't take anyone like this seriously unless I see them put their money where their mouth is- let's see those semiconductor shorts
lordnacho•3m ago
Zitron might be right about the economics of it, maybe it really does come crashing down. But we won't be forgetting about it. Even if AI stopped progressing today, it will still be massively, undeniably, insanely useful.

I could use current models forever. LLM does things for me that couldn't be done in 2023. I don't want to go back to a world without it, but I'm also ok with progress stalling right here.

As for the productivity benefits, I find there is a kind of skeptic that just has his eyes closed. Open an AI page, ask it to write you an app that renames all your scientific papers so they have their title as the filename instead of the weird long number.

You could easily waste an hour looking for the right PDF library and working out how to use it. Or fiddling with the file search mechanism so that you only get the articles and not every file in your downloads. Now you will have the files renamed in a few minutes, and a tool that keeps them correct every time you have downloaded some more.

How is this not a productivity win? It clearly is. Do we really need a double blind test to check this kind of thing?

Whether it gets squandered in modern orgs is another matter, but the core win is clear for everyone to see.

hsuduebc2•7m ago
I had the same reaction. It is the same kind of argument people use to claim that computer science is useless because, “What would you do if the electricity went out?”

The same thing as you, man. Die in the chaos.

kalkin•5m ago
> I'm quite influenced by Ed Zitron's reporting

Zitron has been predicting an imminent bubble pop since 2023 (although in less and less falsifiable terms), as OpenAI and Anthropic revenues have steadily grown 3-10x per year, but people keep listening. Zitron has done a lot to misinform the public but at some point you have to conclude it's demand-driven, and people won't re-evaluate his credibility because he tells them what they want to hear.

Useful: https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/ais-biggest-critic-has-lost...

dcow•9m ago
The entire thing is an AI skeptic saying “I’m skeptical I found some outdated anecdata that supports my point”. Feynman’s quote is meant for the author of this post, not people using AI to execute better day to day. It’s not reasonable to point at a chatgpt subscription and say “look the entire industry isn’t sustainable”. We all know those are subsidized just like uber was. And there are plenty of people paying API rates for tokens and getting along just fine. Further, if there was a single point in history where an environmental concern killed an entire industry please point me to it. What happens in reality is that humans compromise and innovate under new sets of constraints.
Jtarii•8m ago
Using LLMs in a similar way to already existing IDE features like refactor, find/replace, search is unambiguously a productivity increase. Whether using them for actual task completion purposes is good or not is unknown.

But imagine that Ctrl+F was just introduced as a feature and you had a bunch of people saying "All these people saying Ctrl+F is increasing their productivity are fooling themselves", it's just a silly thing to say.

dilyevsky•8m ago
"do not fool yourself" proceeds to fool himself... if you are honest about you bias that's still fooling yourself if your conclusions are just demonstrably wrong.
johngoode•15m ago
I stopped reading at the productivity comment, it's just deeply unserious stuff.
amarant•10m ago
Citing a study published in '25, and thus conducted before that, basically before AI got good.

Yeah this article is safe to ignore

p2detar•15m ago
From the article:

> This is why I'm not using AI. I'm not using AI on moral, ethical grounds.

The funny thing is - they are using AI and they will be using even more AI as it soaks into world economy even more; they just won‘t be using it directly. Well, not for a while at least, until practicality overcomes subjective morals.

sgallant•12m ago
I appreciate how the author is explicit about their bias.

This opinion piece is more what he wants to happen rather than what's actually happening on the ground

zobzu•10m ago
id say they're not 100% wrong:

- a lot of folks use ai poorly and innudate you with slop, reducing your own efficiency

- because you can just prompt it doesn't mean you should. many let the machine crank out tokens until it works, rather than thinking about the problem first.

of course, if AI solves my second point automatically, it'll solve the first as well, and we'll call that AGI. But we don't have that yet.

sho•7m ago
I find it fascinating how humans search for meaning in the unlikeliest of places, and how ancient tribal instincts will turn anything, anything at all, into an excuse for an in-group, an out-group, and a search for kinship on the most ridiculous little hill.

This "Anti AI Social Club" is just the latest example, and reality has nothing to do with it. Denying reality might just be the whole point.

It's a very human thing really.

podgorniy•4m ago
I find it fascinating how humans search for meaning in the unlikeliest of places, and how ancient tribal instincts will turn anything, anything at all, into an excuse for an in-group, an out-group, and a search for kinship on the most ridiculous little hill. This "Pro AI Social Club" is just the latest example, and reality has nothing to do with it. Denying reality might just be the whole point. It's a very human thing really.
podgorniy•5m ago
> These articles are so off from reality

Which ones? That there is no evidence (not personal anecdotes but the numbers) of productivity increase? Or that our subscriptions are heavy subsidized (then try to compare produced value against real price of tokens)? Or that AI companies are burning tonn of cash without clear plan for monetization?

Article has good points which are worth discussing rather than discarding. We need to bring arguments from both sides of the fense.

orthogonal_cube•6m ago
> AI costs aren’t going to stay this high. They will go down.

I hear this a lot and it seems to be far too optimistic. Call me skeptical but plan pricing continues to increase with tighter usage constraints. We’re still at the point in time that companies like Anthropic, OpenAI, and GitHub charge seemingly reasonable prices in order to get people hooked onto AI before raising prices to get their return on investment.

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