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My security camera shipped a GitHub admin token in its login page

https://hhh.hn/hanwha-github-token/
108•hhh•2h ago•38 comments

Flux 3 X Mimic: The Next Generation of Video-Action Models

https://bfl.ai/blog/flux-3-mimic
212•kensai•4h ago•27 comments

It's getting harder to focus every day

https://glyphack.com/attention/
360•peykar•6h ago•186 comments

India's first privately-developed rocket reaches orbit on dramatic debut launch

https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/07/indias-first-privately-developed-rocket-reaches-orbit-on-dr...
87•sohkamyung•4d ago•15 comments

Flux 3

https://bfl.ai/blog/flux-3
444•ThouYS•8h ago•111 comments

IRGC Claims It Destroyed Amazon's Bahrain Data Center

https://houseofsaud.com/irgc-claims-destroyed-amazon-bahrain-data-center/
85•thisislife2•4h ago•41 comments

The IBM PC, Part 1: Arrival

https://technicshistory.com/2026/07/24/the-ibm-pc-part-1-arrival/
37•cfmcdonald•3h ago•9 comments

Buz – A fork of Bun using modern Zig, with sub-1s incremental builds

https://ziggit.dev/t/buz-a-drop-in-replacement-for-bun-using-modern-zig-with-sub-1s-incremental-b...
126•kristoff_it•5h ago•90 comments

Claude Cookbook

https://platform.claude.com/cookbook/
191•saikatsg•9h ago•90 comments

Open Weights and American AI Leadership [pdf]

https://images.nvidia.com/pdf/Open-Weights-and-American-AI-Leadership.pdf
19•lairv•32m ago•3 comments

Why is programming so captivating, yet so agonizing?

https://elsewhere.news/en/zhenfund/why-is-programming-so-captivating-yet-so-agonizing
23•ilreb•2h ago•18 comments

Game of Trees – Git-based version control from OpenBSD folks

https://www.gameoftrees.org/
31•gregnavis•4h ago•2 comments

Kaizen #4: Overhauled Homelab

https://timharek.no/blog/kaizen-4/
5•meysamazad•44m ago•1 comments

Em dashes are fucking amazing

https://psychotechnology.substack.com/p/em-dashes-are-fucking-amazing
90•surprisetalk•1h ago•86 comments

Oracle fires 21,000 employees to fund AI spending

https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/tech-and-start-ups/article-903442
44•DemiGuru•57m ago•5 comments

Nothing works and everyone is euphoric

https://ptrchm.com/posts/nothing-works-and-everyone-is-euphoric/
218•pchm•5h ago•172 comments

How Do We Stop Vibe Coding?

https://alexklos.ca/blog/how-do-we-stop-vibe-coding
30•prohobo•4h ago•27 comments

Computational chemistry, Locally? My rant on SSH

https://chillphysicsenjoyer.substack.com/p/computational-chemistry-locally
27•crescit_eundo•2d ago•18 comments

Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

423•adam_rida•19h ago•205 comments

How the God of Israel Was Born

https://andreafontana.it/en/birth-god-israel-yahweh-el.html
5•trikko•1h ago•1 comments

Patreon laying off 20% of staff

https://www.patreon.com/jackconte/posts/painful-update-164628951
111•gpi•1h ago•159 comments

The Book Prize Index

https://book-prize-index.vercel.app
41•Luc•6h ago•3 comments

Tangleflow: Converts GitHub Actions workflows to tangled workflows and back

https://github.com/43081j/tangleflow
20•wertyk•2d ago•7 comments

Writing by hand is good for your brain

https://nealstephenson.substack.com/p/writing-by-hand-is-good-for-your
1376•dwwoelfel•1d ago•625 comments

AMD's Instinct MI455X: Aiming for the Sun

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/amds-instinct-mi455x-aiming-for-the
53•ingve•7h ago•24 comments

Hetzner is working on LLM Inference

https://sliplane.io/blog/hetzner-inference
108•jonas_scholz•5h ago•45 comments

I Tried Building a Real App with AI. It Took a Year

https://www.alexhyett.com/videos/tried-building-app-with-ai-it-took-a-year/
60•surprisetalk•2h ago•57 comments

I regret migrating to Codeberg

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/i-regret-migrating-to-codeberg/
428•boramalper•1d ago•331 comments

The story behind APC-2

https://teenage.engineering/now
7•firloop•3d ago•1 comments

Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/22/startup-founders-urge-trump-not-to-shut-off-chinese-open...
1012•theanonymousone•23h ago•831 comments
Open in hackernews

Patreon laying off 20% of staff

https://www.patreon.com/jackconte/posts/painful-update-164628951
106•gpi•1h ago

Comments

spwa4•1h ago
What is it with companies doing mass-layoffs and stating no reasons whatsoever, in fact giving reasons why there's no need:

> Second, Patreon’s core business is healthy and strong, and we’re going to be a rock for creators for decades to come. Hundreds of thousands of creators rely on Patreon for their livelihoods, businesses, ...

> We’re reducing the size of our team by 20%, or ...

cucumber3732842•1h ago
Read between the lines. "This thing ain't getting bigger so everyone we needed to get it here but don't need to keep it going has to go." Like a game studio laying half the team off once the product ships.
tombert•1h ago
I think that they must teach in business school or something that you never, ever, EVER acknowledge or admit that things have ever or will ever go bad in your business.

I’ve worked for startups that will show massive customer churn, tell us that this is “actually a good thing”, do massive layoffs the next week because of the churn, and even while talking about the layoffs say that they’re stronger than ever.

I’ve been doing this long enough that I am mostly used to the gaslighting, and have just accepted that business people have neither the ability nor desire to ever be honest about anything.

Forgeties79•52m ago
> say that they’re stronger than ever.

Well let’s play out the alternative then: a CEO comes out and says everything is not ok and you’re laying off people because you are in dire straits. I admire the honesty, but what do you think happens next?

coliveira•49m ago
A society that doesn't value honesty deserves to be deceived.
Forgeties79•32m ago
This assumes that it’s always a lie… The point is you’re supposed to say that it’s a hard time, but you’ve made the necessary changes and you’ll come out stronger (hopefully), because otherwise why would you have made them?

I just don’t think causing a panic is the same thing as honesty. You don’t have to freak everybody out about the health of the company or completely lie about the state of things.

angiolillo•51m ago
> have just accepted that business people have neither the ability nor desire to ever be honest about anything

Another plausible explanation is survivorship bias: if businesses that are publicly honest when things are going poorly are less likely to survive then eventually surviving businesses are more likely to be dishonest irrespective of the "abilities" or "desires" of individual business people.

coliveira•51m ago
Business schools teach advertising, not business management. In modern business it is a crime to tell the truth about the dire situation a business is in, unless a CEO is starting anew to fix a situation left by another, and even then it rarely happens.
josefresco•58m ago
> At the same time, the market in which we operate has undergone profound change over the last 6 months.

I guess this is the "reason" but obviously they aren't elaborating. It's odd they picked "6 months" - what changed in "the market"?

nozzlegear•43m ago
What market is Patreon even in – the "facilitating crowdfunding for anyone looking to create things" market? There's not much competition there and I can't imagine it's profoundly changed in the last 6 years, let alone months.
smelendez•29m ago
Six years ago was a long time — summer 2020.

Substack is a huge competitor that has grown dramatically in that time. Beehiiv is another competitor that just launched a bunch of new features. Porn and sexy content is now on Onlyfans, which was just becoming mainstream during the pandemic.

More recently, some podcasts have started focusing on YouTube and may be less interested in the paid-elsewhere subscription model.

morkalork•38m ago
Despite what they're saying, I'd guess it's the totally-not-a-recession that's happening and they foresee people cutting luxury expenses (ie patreon subs) and they're trying to get ahead of it.
blcknight•57m ago
I assume it is legal reasons.
giancarlostoro•56m ago
You usually do lay offs because finances aren't doing so good, so you do it to stop the bleeding. Especially if you're a publicly traded company this tells investors you're doing SOMETHING, but for private companies, it's really up to you when and how you do it. I imagine companies with a reasonable war chest that are private try to hold on as long as possible.
Forgeties79•53m ago
Generally you’re right damn dude 20% of their staff? They needed to stop the bleeding a long time ago clearly.
datakan•53m ago
This isn't true. You usually do layoffs when you anticipate financial won't be good in coming quarters. If you wait until they aren't good then you're too late and the damage is done. This is why layoffs happen so frequently during "good" quarters.
morkalork•33m ago
It's wild how there isn't officially a recession but many companies are acting like there is
datakan•14m ago
Recession isn't the driving factor. Many companies will actually increase staffing during recession to "grow" out of it. My former company used to go on merger and acquisition sprees during deep recessions so they would be well positioned when it was over.

People really need to look at this stuff more strategically. The knee jerk reactions are not productive.

throw84499449•52m ago
> core business is healthy and strong

Thst is valid reason to layoff people. If there is no mess to clean, you do not need that many cleaners.

re-thc•52m ago
> stating no reasons whatsoever

It does under reason for reduction, quoting: At the same time, the market in which we operate has undergone profound change over the last 6 months.

> giving reasons why there's no need... Patreon’s core business is healthy and strong

Actually that's the reason. It says Patreon's core business is strong i.e. everything else isn't? You don't state the obvious unless there's a gotcha.

bflesch•46m ago
Depends on jurisdiction, in many European countries a company with more than 300 employees can't do these kind of layoffs without giving a concrete reason, and if they do they need to close down a whole office location (e.g. we're closing our LA office, only SF office remains).
KomoD•1h ago
I can never take such statements seriously.
theamk•57m ago
It is pretty serious for all those people who has been laid off.
KomoD•44m ago
I'm not saying the situation isn't serious. I'm saying I can't take these performative fluff statements seriously.

Going on and on about how good these people are and then how well the business is going, as they are firing them.

"special, beautiful humans" "wonderful humans" "kind, ambitious, hard working, and mission-driven humans"

powerpcmac•1h ago
The rich get richer and the poor get more AI edited and toned condolence posting.
ActionHank•52m ago
That close out is brutal, "to our teammates who are leaving".

Real "Oh no! So sorry to see you go totally by your own choice" vibes.

The business is "solid", but is it not profitable? Who is cashing in on cutting these jobs? Which exec is losing their job for overhiring?

ToucanLoucan•42m ago
And why not fire that exec who doubtlessly costs the company far more money while adding substantially less value than any of these employees?

If a company is genuinely losing money and needs to boost it's profitability surely the easiest place to cut costs is the top where the lowest ROI positions are.

Always goes back to that story from Nintendo when the Wii U went pear-shaped on release, Satoru Iwata and many other executives all took substantial pay cuts to keep the company healthy without demolishing their own ranks. Be nice to see an American company do that just one time, as a treat.

pgwhalen•48m ago
As someone not good at identifying this myself, what about this post indicates AI editing?
powerpcmac•40m ago
In the year of our Lord 2026 when you can be fired for not churning enough tokens, you can believe any corpo-post corpo speak has been checked by their LLMs for "compassionate voicing" and "low risk wording"
travisgriggs•57m ago
I’m selling Enshitification Popcorn. It comes with extra strong spices so that you can watch and eat your popcorn without the odors getting to you.

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/s

apical_dendrite•54m ago
There are so many contradictions in this statement that either the person who wrote it is completely muddle-headed, or just a bad liar.

> Nothing about our core business has changed – it remains strong and consistent

a few paragraphs later

> But our transformation is going to take time

and the next paragraph

> At the same time, the market in which we operate has undergone profound change over the last 6 months. We need to adjust our cost structure

So is the business strong and consistent, or is it facing a rapidly-changing market, requiring that the business transform and adjust it's cost structure?

> To be clear about the impact of AI on today’s decision: we are not making the above changes because we believe AI replaces humans.

A few paragraphs later

> AI has fundamentally transformed the tech industry, though, including how we work, how we build products, how we communicate, and more. That does have an impact on how we operate and organize.

So do you think AI doesn't replace humans, or do you think that you'll need fewer humans because AI will be doing more of the work?

thomasmarcelis•51m ago
If we throw all the arguments at the wall, one must stick right?
newswasboring•46m ago
I think it's a bit more sinister. If they write everything they can claim later they "considered" it.
ryandrake•28m ago
AI prompt: “Write a melodramatic layoff announcement that blames our problems on vague market/economic changes, suggests we need to transform, yet reassures investors that business fundamentals are strong.”
smeeth
officialchicken•54m ago
Bottom line: How do these layoffs increase the successful outcome of product launches on the platform in any way?
spacebanana7•50m ago
The negative metric is more important - if you can cut staff costs by 20% with only 5% reduction in revenue/innovation that’s a win from an investor’s perspective.
SoftTalker•43m ago
Not really. Investors want profits yes, but value is based on largely on expectations of growth. Declining revenue is not a sign of a healthy, valuable company.
john_strinlai•45m ago
i think the goal is to increase profit by reducing operating expenses, not to increase the successful outcome of product launches.
ricardobayes•32m ago
In my subjective opinion, they don't. Layoffs almost always cause an atmosphere where taking risks is disincentivized.
fourseventy•17m ago
Well if the company goes out of business because its not making enough profit then all product launches will cease.
natbennett•53m ago
Patreon just does this every few years. At least Jack Conte didn’t post a video of himself crying about it this time.
ryandrake•44m ago
Kind of tone deaf of him to post a somber layoff message below his open-mouth laugh-smiling profile picture.
jadar•43m ago
Lol imagine if he had changed his profile pic just for this. I don't think that would make him look any better.
Barbing•13m ago
It was small enough I didn’t mind.

The page-blocking newsletter modal wasn’t disabled - boo.

jcfrei•52m ago
Upvoting this so more people see how cringey it's written.
cmiles8•52m ago
Honestly the most interesting thing to me here is that to took nearly 500 people to run Patreon.
bflesch•48m ago
To me it's always mindblowing how the headcount of a startup can massively increase and the company still be considered a "success story".
Ekaros•45m ago
Make me always question what is going on in these companies. They are essentially a middle man reoffering payment providers services. Host some content. Lot of time just links to external platforms. There is some marketing but not really that much.

They really should be running sustainable service for like tenth of that many employees... If even that. Most of the people don't care about them just the creators on their platform and less cut they take better for patrons or patronees.

ryandrake•36m ago
I never understand these replies. Has nobody ever worked for a medium sized, yet global-reach company? I think a lot of HN has a very narrow view of how many different roles are required to run a company bigger than a local diner. Feels like a weird confirmation bias where “I only see a dozen engineers around me every day, therefore companies only need engineers to function.”
ricardobayes•29m ago
Whatsapp had 55 employees until the buyout (of reported 19B).
the_sleaze_
tamimio•52m ago
>it was a hard decision

It wasn’t, I bet executives were laughing reading that

xnx•39m ago
Getting rid of headcount was probably an easy choice, but picking how many and who stays can still be hard.
sokoloff•51m ago
> A $1,500 stipend to replace your company laptop.

It seems like a wild choice to give a specific figure as additional cash rather than just letting them keep their (wiped) laptop. That additional cash will be taxed (as should a laptop that is left with the ex-employee, but the used laptop can be valued and taxed as a used laptop rather than a $1500 cash payment [and frankly would often be, um, overlooked...).

It seems like it's better for Patreon (cheaper, less IT labor) and approximately as good for the ex-employee to make this be in the shape of the used laptop than a $1500 payment.

popinman322•46m ago
With RAM prices how they are right now the used laptops might be more valuable than $1500.
Shalomboy•46m ago
I mean, I wouldn't want to have to bulk-purchase a large number of well-spec'ed laptops in this market. But you aren't wrong.
Hamuko•42m ago
What are you bulk purchasing them for?
smelendez•41m ago
This seems more like a bounty for the laptop potentially full of company information, passwords, code, secrets, etc., which Patreon does not want out in the wild or to have to deploy lawyers to demand back. The carrot, rather than the stick.
stackskipton
bflesch•50m ago
I don't understand why this is problematic for some:

They lay off 93 people so the total # employees before layoffs is 465 and it will be 372 employees remaining after layoffs.

In same post they state there are 300k creators making money on their platform, so the ratio of employees to creators is 1:645 before layoffs and 1:800 after layoffs.

It's a mature business and VC funding has significantly dried up for these kind of middlemen business models.

Why wouldn't 372 people having thousands of meetings between them per week be enough to run such a company?

Edit: If you downvote this without explanation I'd wager you never ran a company.

fourseventy•49m ago
I watched this dudes youtube channel where he makes music for years before I ever knew he was the CEO of pateron. It was a bit of a wtf moment when I found out.
alexpotato•38m ago
He's playing the piano in this video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiShsfvbFUA
recursive•37m ago
Decent keyboard player too
itbeho•15m ago
Appears to be a full time musician and a part time CEO.
codegeek•48m ago
The only possible positive thing out of this cringy article is that the severance is decent (for a US company). 4 months of pay and healthcare coverage through Year end. Everything else could have just been a couple of sentences.

Companies need to stop doing this melodrama every time they decide to fire people. Everyone knows the goal is to make money and keep a company profitable for their shareholders. Why these melodramatic posts ? People would prefer honesty. Just say "We need to increase our profits or reduce costs or both and hence we have to lay people off. Here is what we are providing as a severance". That's it.

ab71e5•44m ago
Exactly. I would be insulted if I was part of this layoff, brutal honesty would be much better
ricardobayes•38m ago
Not trying to be snarky, but how exactly? How would it help your mental health to be told "your work was borderline useless anyway and we needed to get rid of you to boost shareholder value. Goodbye!"
logifail•36m ago
> How would it help your mental health [...]

...to be told the truth? Quite a lot.

I've been inside companies that had to right-size their teams, it's not pretty, but my goodness honesty from management is better than pretending.

codegeek•35m ago
Because that's the truth and just because you fake empathy, the person getting fired knows what their worth to the company was. Sure there are people who don't prefer to hear the truth but most employees would. In fact, I would go as far as to say that firing someone by accepting the truth is more empathetic than lying to their faces and crying crocodile tears.
Shalomboy•48m ago
How could Chapo do this? /s
trentor•47m ago
No matter what, people who write articles about layoffs like this go straight onto my 'people to stay far away from' list. He is on it since the crying video of the last round of layoffs.
colechristensen•44m ago
>Creators are earning billions of dollars each year on Patreon, and those earnings have continued to exhibit steady, strong growth.

>Creators, members, revenue, and processing volume continue to show strong, consistent growth every month.

lol strong consistent growth -> 20% layoff

chrisss395•34m ago
I see others mentioning the severance package being decent for a US company. I'm glad they received something, but I'm sorry, can we stop calling this decent? It's markedly lopsided when a company can one day decide to lay off a large portion of their workforce and think 4 months is anywhere near acceptable. The average time to find a new job is significantly longer, especially depending on role and seniority.

I'm tired of seeing American workers bear the brunt of the stupidity of the executive teams that have done their job so poorly as to suddenly need to lay off workers. If you are a leader and you are put in this situation, it is because you are a terrible at your job. It's not the market, it's not AI or some unforeseen disaster...it's because you had your head up your ass instead of actively running the business.

IshKebab•16m ago
> The average time to find a new job is significantly longer

Is that really true?

https://standout-cv.com/stats/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-a...

They found 3.8 months which sounds realistic. I can't imagine the average being significantly longer (like 6+ months?).

Barbing•9m ago
>instead of actively running the business.

I’d like to be convinced of this point.

bpodgursky•6m ago
This attitude is why US engineers are 3x more than your European ones.

It doesn't take 4 months to find a job. Life goes on.

maxehmookau•29m ago
> First, the people who work at Patreon are special, beautiful humans, through and through.

If you're calling me "special" and "beautiful" and removing my ability to pay my mortgage in the same sentence through no fault of my own, you can absolutely get in the bin.

Fundamentally weird behaviour.

jackb4040•24m ago
My favorite part was when he clarified whether it is/isn't AI replacing jobs
Gareth321•23m ago
They have 465 employees? That seems like a lot for what Patreon is.
natbennett•15m ago
They provide a lot of services and support to their bigger creators.

Last I heard they also do their own payment processing, which is a substantial technical problem.

darknavi•11m ago
Well, they _had_ 465 employees...
egormakarov•39m ago
Same with dentists
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26m ago
Nothing in there contradicts. A business that works well today may not work well tomorrow; it's management's job to change the business to better meet future conditions.

> or do you think that you'll need fewer humans because AI will be doing more of the work?

My bet is this one. To be fair, it isn't exactly an unpopular opinion. If I were starting a business today I'd plan to hire far fewer programmers than I would have just 2-3 years ago.

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23m ago
Hard disagree, the concrete evidence is that that can delete 20% of that bloated workforce and operate just fine.

If we don't run a business then we're running a business of a single employee. You are your own employee with 100% concentration risk. All of your income depends on one employee (you) with 1 source of income. If you had a business with 1 single revenue stream, then you would really focus on the health of that stream (Patreon). If you look around and realize most people are coasting and you can't really point any specific action you've taken that's boosted the numbers then you need to start preparing for that client (Patreon) to end its deal with you.

win311fwg•7m ago
> Has nobody ever worked for a medium sized, yet global-reach company?

I have, but it also publicized seven completely different business units. It is easier to reason about why what are effectively seven different businesses need so many employees. Each unit did not have all that many people, however. They would all be considered small businesses if the company broke up those business units into individual companies. Patreon, on the other hand, seems to have only one obvious business unit.

But also most haven't. Across most of the western world, 70% of workforce work for small businesses and in Asian markets that rises to 80%+. The USA is a curious outlier where only around 40% of the workforce works for small businesses. Some HN accounts forget its a big world out there.

natbennett•13m ago
They are not a “pure middle man.”

You should talk to someone who works at Patreon. Or a larger creator on their platform.

yonisto•45m ago
I really don't get.

Twitter used to have 7500 employees and now it is working perfectly ok with 1500~

What am I missing from business perspective?

lukasm•40m ago
no really, search is appalling, web version for mobile is full of bugs
dtech•40m ago
Twitter had a lot of side projects and people that were not needed to run their core business. E.g. they used to have a Linux kernel engineering team [1]. They argued their value, but I was always a tad skeptical. Even if they earned their keep in terms of ROI, Twitter can definitely be run without kernel engineers.

[1] https://danluu.com/in-house/

jackb4040•28m ago
Twitter does not work at all lol
the_sleaze_•20m ago
> Twitter does not work at all lol

Can you point to some specific instances? I've seen it working just fine.

prepend•15m ago
It works as well as it ever did. Or the same level of not working.
everforward•40m ago
That doesn’t super shock me. They claim to have sent over $150M to creators in 2017, which is probably several million transactions. I think they do video and image hosting as well, not sure. It’s probably way more now but that’s the most recent number I saw.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were over a billion in revenue at this point.

I would imagine big chunks of the company also aren’t technology. They seem like they have a sizable PR and marketing presence, community liaisons (read: support), HR to support it all, legal for dealing with illicit content that ends up there instead of OnlyFans, etc.

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34m ago
I would assume they are company managed Macs so they could just order a remote wipe and then remove them from iCloud so they revert to their out of box setup.
smelendez•19m ago
Sure, but they’re still potentially sitting in limbo and turned off in the trunk of an employee’s car or whatever. If you’re concerned about leak issues, why not wipe them and have them shipped back for less than the cost of an extra week of severance.

Also, many employees likely have their own personal laptops and may not have any use for them.

Y-bar•35m ago
Might be different in USA? But while just about every reimbursement or perk is indeed taxable here in the EU… It is also used as a measure of how much you earn when calculating unemployment benefits, parental leave, and pension and such. For my own part about 23% of my pre-taxed income is paid to my pension fund.
jadar•44m ago
I tend to agree. But the devil's advocate in me says that then they'd be accused of not having empathy. That sort of thing might work in Europe — but for a US company, I think you have to pay some lip service to emotions.
codegeek•42m ago
"Not having empathy" may have made sense 20-30 years ago when mass layoffs weren't as common as nowadays. Nowadays, everyone knows how it works and how much they really care about the employees. Nothing is worse than someone faking empathy especially CEOs (and I am a small time founder/ceo myself even though of an extremely small company).
jadar•41m ago
Completely agree. That doesn't change the fact that people are fickle and want to have their cake even as they're eating it.
lotsofpulp•35m ago
20 to 30 years ago was 1996 to 2006. Layoffs were very common, due to outsourcing to cheaper countries. It was common knowledge in my college years of the early 2000s to not expect a long tenure at any employer, and to always be applying to new positions.
AshamedCaptain•35m ago
Even big US companies today are full of "Is this good for the company?", "Our company values" and other cringe-inducing loyalty/ethics-related propaganda, about as much as 30 years ago. So they are keeping the charade, for better or worse, even though it is as much hypocrisy today as it was 30 years ago.

(Maybe 60 years ago it wasn't hypocrisy, but I lack personal evidence).

cucumber3732842•41m ago
The media will spin whatever you do in whichever direction is maximally outrageous because that's what gets more clicks, eyeballs and ad bucks.

So just ignore them and do what's right.

engineer_22•43m ago
> Why these melodramatic posts ?

Morale. It’s important that the remaining employees are psychologically secure. They’re trying to make sure they know the company isn’t in jeopardy and that management has them in mind.

Some research supports this https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228120426_Survivors...

In my /opinion/ a personal address, one on one assurances from a trusted manager, this might be more effective, but HR also needs to be careful that the messaging is consistent so this kind of post is probably seen as the best alternative

prepend•28m ago
This type of BS wouldn’t make me psychologically secure. It would make me afraid because I can’t trust what leadership says.
rchaud•13m ago
So why not send this out as an email? What purpose does a public proclamation serve?
nsxwolf•43m ago
I just got laid off after sitting through a company town hall meeting explaining why the reason we’re all being laid off (replaced with Cognizant + Anthropic colab) is totally awesome and great for the company’s future.

I do not understand why I’m supposed to care.

codegeek•32m ago
Because it was never about you. They have to fake empathy and provide "explanations" because they think its the "Safer" way. You already know that of course.
K0balt•42m ago
It’s because, and I say this as a person who has made these calls, some leaders do feel a genuine responsibility for the people that work for them. Perhaps too, the ones that don’t, want people to think that they do. But as a founder and CEO by far the most emotionally taxing thing I have ever had to do is cut staff for the good of the company. You want to treat people the way you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes, but it doesn’t change the realities of the operation.

This case is clearly AI enabled “right sizing”, and it is inevitable for companies that aren’t seeing explosive growth. It seems like they are handing it well, better than most. Good for them.

ltbarcly3•38m ago
They feel a genuine responsibility to avoid the buzzing sound in their head that results from trying to believe and make other people believe they feel a genuine responsibility for people while taking actions that are the polar opposite of anything that you do to someone you feel responsible for purely to increase your own and your investors wealth.

It's fine to fire people, and the severance here is very generous. Business leaders who need to feel like they are a generous parent or 'different' are weak and lying to themselves.

Finally while the severance is generous and to be applauded, all of the phrasing under the guise of caring about people was very transparently just an excuse to say over and over "we are making money and we aren't doing this because we have to" to his investors, which just rubs it in the face of the people being fired over and over. One final insult I guess.

codegeek•37m ago
I am a founder/CEO myself (a very small company so I don't have experience of mass layoffs for full disclosure). However, I don't get this explanation. If you feel genuine responsibility for the people, then figure out a way to NOT fire them. Or be honest and admit that the company needs to make more money/cut costs. Trust me, no one wants to hear "we love you so much but we have to fire you and I feel so bad". It just doesn't land. Be honest, be open and be willing to provide a good severance.
ryandrake•33m ago
It reminds me of that meme template. “I feel responsible for this layoff.” “Responsible enough to mitigate it or lay yourself off?” “Well, no, not that responsible…”
stronglikedan•24m ago
What an illogical and unrealistic meme template that is...
linkjuice4all•16m ago
Yes, much like the “we’re all family but we’re reducing headcount by…”

Treat people like professionals: admit that you did a bad job but that you’d rather protect yourself and not give up any of your salary/benefits and instead you are going to layoff your “family”.

keiferski•26m ago
This is a good idea in theory, and in a lot of situations it's definitely under-used. But I don't think it's realistic to expect companies to never have to lay off employees.
dylan604•23m ago
> then figure out a way to NOT fire them

like reduce the salary of the c-suite staff by 50% so they are only making 300% more than the average workers. or reduce c-suite salary to the lowest wage while allowing them to live off of their stock and other benefits like company cars, expense accounts, etc. granted, that's for the larger companies, but the bigger companies never do anything like that

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nightski•36m ago
These posts seem more like emotional therapy for the founder, helping them cope. It's not about the people being let go at all.
ecocentrik•23m ago
You should really look into who Jake Conte is and why he created Patreon. He's a smart guy who relies heavily on maintaining a positive social image and is more emotionally aware and stable than most tech founders. I imagine from his perspective the decision, severance and post were all just the smart thing to do.
ecocentrik•32m ago
Even founders that don't naturally empathize with employees they need to cut and cut purely for personal gain find the processes of cutting employees emotionally taxing. It's just not an easy thing to do.
SetTheorist•30m ago
The "realities" being that increasing profits for a few people is more important than the lives of the people doing the actual work?
SetTheorist•30m ago
The "realities" being that increasing profits for a few people is more important than the lives of the people doing the actual work?
999900000999•25m ago
As someone who has been laid off or fired a few times. Just tell me when my last day is and cut my check.

At this point I assume every employer wants to screw me in one way or another.

My first salaried job replaced me behind my back since I went remote to look after a dying family member.

Corporations by definition are sociopathic entities. They can not ‘care’ about anything aside from maximizing profits.

Once I was on a call receiving the bad news and I immediately texted another job opportunity right then and there.

We’re not family , and we’re definitely not friends.

Grombobulous•16m ago
I think what you’re describing is only a fraction of leaders and possibly a small minority of them.

This concept is especially not applicable to profitable companies who have layoffs anyway.

Hyper-optimization and AI adoption isn’t actually a business requirement if your business is making a profit. Plenty of businesses refuse to play that game and still make themselves a good living.

Founders who want to claim emotional connection to their employees should think about things like converting the company to full employee ownership rather than thinking of themselves as a paternal benevolent dictator.

andsoitis•42m ago
> People would prefer honesty.

Coarsely, people prefer things that don't hurt their feelings or that don't scare them. Sometimes that's candor; sometimes it is indirectness. Complicating matters further, different people will have different preferences in the same situations.

ricardobayes•41m ago
Appearances still matter, and IMO it will be really ugly if we all decide they don't.
zamadatix•41m ago
There is no way to fire a lot of people in a way everyone likes, only ways which suck more than others for different people. Whether you think they are dramatic is not one of the sucks they are very concerned with as you're one if the ones who will forget this layoff in a few hours
cogman10•11m ago
All at once? Sure, no good way.

But there are ways to reduce headcount without causing waves. Those include things like simply not backfilling for people that leave the company or who are fired for low performance.

Letting a bunch of people go all at once is a sign of poor management and poor planning. Or it's a sign that Patreon wants to go public and ATM the stock market loves layoffs.

danlitt•38m ago
If we are going to be honest we should be completely honest. "We want to increase our profits and hence we choose to lay people off."
KronisLV•28m ago
> I am the person responsible for that decision, and I take that with the utmost seriousness.

I also somehow didn’t hear that the leadership is taking a pay cut either, if money is so tight.

happytoexplain•35m ago
What if he actually cares, and this is him being honest?

I know it's not usually true, but this is Jack Conte, not Mark Zuckerberg. Maybe he's one of the few CEOs who still has a human brain. I know I would feel legitimately horrible and sympathetic if I had to lay off a bunch of people.

prepend•30m ago
I don’t buy that he cares.

Patreon is profitable. He doesn’t have to fire anyone to continue operations. He just wants more money.

If he cared about them as beautiful people, he wouldn’t fire them.

It’s one thing if you’re bleeding cash and have to cut. Another when you discover a cheaper way to do things and don’t want to retrain and grow in new ways where you’d need people.

Patreon CEO is full of horse apples.

pluc•30m ago
Because they have to get back to work after. It's a shit leader attitude to admit you just traded humans for profits - you have to keep pretending. On the other end, employees keep pretending they are passionate about X, Y or Z and not just there for the dough. It's a delicate balance.
dodger-dog•30m ago
Of course the public relations is all spin. Corporations do not have feelings. Individual managers may feel one way or the other. It is likely those feelings are highly rationalized by how the change affects them individually. Will they make more money? Will they take on added duties without an increase in money?

Some may wax la philosophie politique at times, but we tend to do that in the abstract when things are at an arms length.

At the end of the day, people made a choice between a corporation and a narrow group of stakeholders over employees and the downstream community influence of their buying power, likely a large group and certainly a different group.

You could argue in the long run it is better for society for companies to make these decisions, and many times that may actually be the case. But, in this one instance, when you place it all on the scales, they were not doing it to save a company or make its products and services more competitive in the market. There was nothing "existential" about it. They wanted to go from one profit level to a higher profit level for a certain group, and that is just what they did.

keiferski•28m ago
Because part of being a CEO is having social skills, and doing what you suggested is extremely socially inept.

Explaining why layoffs needed to happen, expressing remorse about it, and giving a good severance package is what serious adults with empathy for their employees do.

It's also a good way to maintain at least a neutral relationship with everyone you're laying off. Compare that to a company that coldly fires you with minimal severance, and delivers that message via some low-level lackey (not the CEO) – you, as the former employee, want nothing to do with that company ever again.

jbellis•25m ago
Apparently this is an unpopular opinion on HN, but a job isn't an output that companies produce, it's an agreement to compensate an employee in exchange for services, and just as the CEO shouldn't take it personally when one leaves to go work elsewhere, nobody needs to act like it's some kind of invidious social contract violation when the company no longer needs some of those services. In other words: resignation and termination are ordinary exercises of each's right to reallocate its resources.

(I am making a normative claim, not a descriptive one; I am aware that that both CEOs and laid-off employees do in fact take it personally at times.)

Gareth321•22m ago
> Companies need to stop doing this melodrama every time they decide to fire people. Everyone knows the goal is to make money and keep a company profitable for their shareholders. Why these melodramatic posts ?

People expect it and get very angry if such posts do not appear contrite. I share your cynicism and would prefer they just say it like it is, but that doesn't work for most people.

Jcampuzano2•20m ago
Most of the time I'm convinced its just an attempt to garner sympathy from the general public/outsiders. While obviously not true for all but the vast majority of these executives and C-levels could not name any of the people they are getting rid of in the first place.

Most of the time it's an attempt to stifle negative opinions of those reading the layoff announcements. But in the modern day it's getting old because we see a new layoff every day now.

Everybody knows we aren't a family, and we're doing this to get paid not for some contrived company mission.

I'm convinced with most of these layoff announcements people would take it better if they literally just said we're getting rid of N people for X,Y,Z reasons and called it at that without the presumptuous bullshit.

mattbrewsbytes•15m ago
You can have cutesy names for employees and a culture with mission statements/purpose, etc. but when it comes down to it, if you're doing layoffs no collection of words is going to appease those that are let go and no collection of words is going to appease those left behind. "Teammates" is probably less cutesy than other companies but still evokes some sort of "we're all in this together" vs. straight up employees when in fact they aren't all in it together, at least not the execs.

There was an interview with Jay Leno I saw recently and he was talking about his NBC deal where he was going to be getting $30mil/year but they had to cut staff to do that so he decided to cut his own pay/raise to keep staff. That type of move by someone at the top is rare or never happens with CEOs. I think Nintendo might be the only case I can think of where I heard something like that happening. That type of move evokes an "all in it together" type of team vs. a clear delineation of CEO/executives and employees.

The melodrama is performative because they have to maintain the mask/facade that they are "teammates".

worldthruword•13m ago
> First, the people who work at Patreon are special, beautiful humans, through and through. The energy that our team has for Patreon’s mission is a force of nature. So many wonderful humans are going to lose their jobs today in an especially painful moment and market. I am the person responsible for that decision, and I take that with the utmost seriousness.

Reminds me of Ozymandias speech when he says to Dr. Manhattan, that he has personally exprienced the pain of millions of New Yorkers he is about to decimate in the Nuclear attack.

In both the Watchmen graphic novel and the 2009 film adaptation, Ozymandias (Adrian Veidt) claims that he deeply feels and absorbs the psychic pain and deaths of the millions of people he kills. He views this immense personal suffering as his own tragic sacrifice for the greater good of humanity.

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23m ago
That's a whole lot easier to do in a small company, but not very realistic beyond that.