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Elevators

https://john.fun/elevators
622•Jrh0203•4h ago•162 comments

Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

https://tailscale.com/blog/hugging-face-intrusion
93•bluehatbrit•1h ago•38 comments

qm

https://github.com/yc-software/qm
177•tosh•2h ago•45 comments

Big Food vs. the People

https://www.lighthousereports.com/investigation/big-food-vs-the-people/
126•jruohonen•4h ago•81 comments

Golang proposal: container/: generic collection types

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/80590
35•jabits•1h ago•5 comments

Termixer (TUI DJ Mixer)

https://github.com/l00sed/termixer
25•l00sed•1h ago•13 comments

Getting 25 Gbps Thunderbolt Ethernet on My Mac Studio

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/getting-25g-ethernet-mac-thunderbolt/
84•speckx•4h ago•54 comments

Everyone is building LLM routers, we deprecated ours

https://manifest.build/blog/why-we-deprecated-our-llm-router/
33•brunaxLorax•2h ago•12 comments

Severance

https://lcamtuf.substack.com/p/severance
58•surprisetalk•3h ago•15 comments

June in Servo: real world compat, media queries, SharedWorker, and more

https://servo.org/blog/2026/07/31/june-in-servo/
23•iamnothere•1h ago•0 comments

DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v4-flash
475•theanonymousone•12h ago•260 comments

Miso (YC S16) is hiring for U.S. expansion

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/miso/jobs/g2uAlMG-founding-business-lead-u-s-expansion
1•victorology•3h ago

DeepSeek-V4-Flash Update

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/updates/
629•dnhkng•14h ago•301 comments

Algorithms on billion-scale graph using 10GB RAM: I love DataFusion

https://semyonsinchenko.github.io/ssinchenko/post/datafusion-graphs-cc-2/
67•speckx•4h ago•18 comments

Using the railway network as a flatbed scanner [video]

https://media.ccc.de/v/emf2026-74-1-using-the-railway-network-as-a-flatbed-scanner
15•Jimmc414•1h ago•5 comments

Orca-Bench: How Ready Are Language Model Agents for Oncall?

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.28545
13•yruzin•1h ago•4 comments

Run Kimi K3 using 29 GB of RAM at 0.50 tok/s

https://github.com/sqliteai/waste
77•marcobambini•6h ago•28 comments

How JPEG works: Interactively explore JPEG's lossy compression methods

https://cgjennings.ca/articles/jpeg-compression/
56•at1as•4d ago•6 comments

A GTK4 SSH-askpass in Zig

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/a-gtk4-ssh-askpass-in-zig/
49•surprisetalk•4h ago•16 comments

Making Referential Stability a Type

https://jovidecroock.com/blog/referential-stability-types/
10•acmnrs•4d ago•0 comments

A simple clustering algorithm for lists

https://cassidoo.co/post/clustering-tiles/
4•nreece•3d ago•0 comments

Anti-fraud tools can't keep pace with robocall scammers

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/how-to-fight-back-against-fraudulent-robocalls/
49•dredmorbius•6h ago•64 comments

The End of an Era

https://hughhowey.com/the-end-of-an-era/
356•harscoat•8h ago•389 comments

The C ``Clockwise/Spiral Rule''

https://c-faq.com/decl/spiral.anderson.html
52•etrvic•6h ago•38 comments

Arch Linux disables AUR package adoption

https://lwn.net/Articles/1086489/
107•database64128•6h ago•75 comments

The Art of Decision-Making (2019)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/21/the-art-of-decision-making
28•EndXA•4h ago•2 comments

Show HN: BitBang – Reach machines behind NAT from a browser, no account

https://github.com/richlegrand/bitbang-cli
54•narragansett•5h ago•13 comments

13 Models and 4 Agents on SWE Tasks: Go, Java, Python, Rust, TS

https://swe-rebench.com
31•ibragim_bad•4h ago•11 comments

Danube's record low levels force shutdown of Hungary's only nuclear plant

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0nqv05g0do
111•vrganj•12h ago•119 comments

Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI

https://blog.google/security/chrome-stronger-with-every-update/
454•Garbage•12h ago•463 comments
Open in hackernews

AI companies destroy rare and non recoverable physical books

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/26422014.library-alexandria-burns-ai-companies-destroying-books-bulk/
41•DoddgyEggplant•1h ago

Comments

Terr_•51m ago
At least 80% of the anger here is misdirected, we should be blaming stupid copyright laws created over the last several decades by big-media lobbyists.

Even if the person running the scanner treated every book with utmost love, museum-level care, and holy sanctity, copyright law would still require them to shred/burn the pristine antique book at the end anyway, or else they get sued for bazillions by the modern companies that "own" the book's contents.

Edit: I think multiple HN submissions got merged. Please excuse any resulting inconsistencies.

beering•40m ago
Is that true? I don’t remember Google Books destroying scanned books and they scanned a ton of books.
beering•35m ago
Follow up: I can’t seem to find any ruling that says you need to destroy the scanned book. Destroying the book might bolster your case in a copyright lawsuit, but the law does not require it afaict. I doubt you would lose a lawsuit simply because you put the book in a locked warehouse after scanning it.
vitorfblima•35m ago
IANAL, but I think you are allowed to copy work for non-commercial use.
pfdietz•34m ago
I don't think so. I believe teachers (for example) have gotten in trouble over this.
pbhjpbhj•31m ago
It's very dependent on jurisdiction (and if you're rich, or a big company).

In UK there's no non-commercial use exception at all.

In USA it can fall under Fair Use, commercial nature is not the sole measure though.

vitorfblima•22m ago
In my jurisdiction (Brazil) there is non-commercial use, but most people don't know about it.
jerf•30m ago
The term you want to Google on is "fair use", and be prepared for a nightmare of complexity and fuzzy borders if you want to really learn about it.

"Non-commercial" use can relate to one particular aspect of fair use, but there definitely is no blanket "you can copy work for non-commercial use" proviso in copyright law.

It fell off the front page but here's a relevant story from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49123300

pbhjpbhj•34m ago
They broke copyright law. Too big to care, it something.

Some legislation got pushed through in some jurisdictions to allow them to claim things were "orphaned works".

dilyevsky•32m ago
yes it's true, us court has ruled destructive scanning is required to make it "fair use" (ianal, etc etc) - https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2025/06/from-bo...
Terr_•14m ago
The particular case linked in TFA [0] involves books where destruction was not required because they were either public-domain or the library (Haithi Trust) had the necessary legal rights to make copies.

[0] I think multiple HN submissions just got merged, I believe the one I was looking at was an ArsTechnica article, but now it seems to be a different paywalled one?

pfdietz•35m ago
Even without copyright isssues Google would have been perfectly fine in destructively scanning these books.
lacker•50m ago
Personally, I end up throwing away a decent amount of books that the book donation people won't take. Especially old technical books. Textbooks from 2001. These headlines just don't tell me anything useful. "Rare" doesn't mean anything.

Please, give me one example of an interesting and unique book that the AI companies have destroyed.

ohyoutravel•48m ago
Oreilley’s 1999 classic: Learning Python.
pbhjpbhj•37m ago
They destroyed it, there's nowhere to buy it or read it for the public?

Not sure if that was a whoosh?

£5 .. don't think it's destroyed .. https://www.abebooks.co.uk/Learning-Python-Mark-Lutz-OReilly...

Legend2440•49m ago
Who says they're rare and nonrecoverable? If they're bought in bulk from used booksellers, they're probably quite common titles.

We throw away nearly a billion books every year. They're not sacred, and scanning a few million isn't a tragedy. People just don't like AI and want to be outraged about it.

qarl2•47m ago
And... at the very most... each AI company destroys ONE copy of a book.
Retr0id•46m ago
Good thing there are hardly any AI companies these days.
Legend2440•44m ago
Well, if they're bought in bulk, there's gonna be some duplicates. They probably don't know what they're buying until they start scanning.

But still, the number of duplicates will be inversely proportational to the rarity of the book. Lots of copies of James Patterson and Twilight, probably few or zero rare 16th-century manuscripts.

pixl97•39m ago
I would assume the very first step would be cataloging the author, title, and revision of the book so hundreds of thousands of hours of time are not wasted scanning duplicates.
Legend2440•34m ago
They probably still throw away the duplicates even if they don't scan them, because the wholesale value of a used paperback of the Da Vinci Code is like half a cent.
dekhn•47m ago
This is one of those articles that goes out of its way to enrage people, when the underlying reality is far simpler, more straightforward, and less nefarious.
pixl97•38m ago
I like how you get downvoted by the AI haters for a logical take.
john_strinlai•45m ago
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

ars from a month ago is a bit less emotional about it:

"The court documents don’t indicate that any rare books were destroyed in this process—Anthropic purchased its books in bulk from major retailers"

but also brings up a reasonable point that there are good ways to do this type of scanning non-destructively.

Catloafdev•38m ago
The scanning process they use is _intentionally_ destructive, not accidentally destructive.

It's not because they hate books or something. It's literally to stay in the law due to the legal rulings surrounding AI companies and copyright.

If they had the option of not destroying the books without any risk of further lawsuit, they would. They aren't like some crazy people that just want to destroy books.

dralley•36m ago
Cutting off the binding of the book to separate the pages makes them easier to scan, that's part of the reason why they do it destructively.
john_strinlai•36m ago
>The scanning process they use is _intentionally_ destructive, not accidentally destructive.

i am aware. i am saying that there are options to _intentionally_ be non-destructive.

>They aren't like some crazy people that just want to destroy books.

i didnt say or imply they were

Terr_•
HelloUsername•44m ago
Discussed on 27.jul.2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49068738 515 comments
Aboutplants•43m ago
People underestimate the massive number of completely useless books that have been published over the centuries. Any significant historical or social contributions are not in danger of going away.
zuzululu•42m ago
headline is misleading destroy implies the work is lost but AI companies are scanning them to preserve the contents and learn from it and which we will collectively benefit and add to the GDP

it is very common to break the back bones of books for mass scanning, I use one at home, I find old books offline, usually people try to donate them to the library but i buy it from them for scanning. It's the only way to economically and fast, there's no good solution beside cutting the spine and feed them into my scanner.

pfdietz•41m ago
If books were precious physical objects of great value, why is that not reflected in their prices? Used books are usually worthless.

And if their inherent value was so great, regardless of supply or use, wouldn't we be able to churn out infinite value by just printing enormous nunbers of copies and storing them?

This absurd consequence shows the outrage here is without rational foundation. It's feelings run amok. Feels are not a good way to think, people.

qsera•32m ago
>why is that not reflected in their prices?

Because the consumers are stupid and think being "new" is worth a lot more, for some reason, when it comes to art/literature/movies. So they are willing to pay more for new stuff that could be mediocre.

I would really pay 10 times the price of some old books, but consumer demand is nearly zero because they are old, so they have gone out of print...

tgv•32m ago
If air is so valuable to you, why don't you pay premium for it? Not that it's comparable to books, but it has the same presupposition as your question.
pfdietz•31m ago
If someone had posted "OMG Google is using up air" I'd have been equally contemptuous.

I'm kind of surprised we aren't hearing that as an argument against burning fossil fuels, actually.

Legend2440•29m ago
Because air is extremely common and not scarce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_value

Similarly, wholesale used books are cheap because they are extremely common and not scarce.

josefritzishere•39m ago
This is horrifying and dystopian.
pfdietz•33m ago
The only thing horrifying here is the ridiculous reaction to this perfectly acceptable procedure.
zuzululu•26m ago
yeah its strange, the "destructive scanning" method has been around for ages, you really can't compete with paper fed scanners
ChrisArchitect•38m ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49068738
cortesoft•27m ago
I find it interesting that no one cared if these books were destroyed before, but now they are suddenly valuable and worth preserving?

These are books that were sitting in some warehouse waiting to be destroyed until it was discovered that AI companies would buy them in bulk. Most of these books are 'rare' because no one bought them, so they didn't print many, and the ones they did print weren't sold so they sat in a warehouse.

I feel like people are imagining some rare, handwritten book transcribed by some 17th century monk. That is not what these are, they are part of the millions of published books that never get any traction, are barely sold, and then are destined to fade into obscurity as they are eventually cycled out of the warehouse and into the incinerator.

But now that AI companies want to add a 'scan them first' step before destroying them, they are suddenly precious and must be preserved?

smb06•22m ago
AI companies getting involved makes it newsworthy
qsera•28m ago
>they're probably quite common titles.

Old books could have been common back in their day, but they might not be very common today.

Legend2440•16m ago
The books you will find on a bulk sale are, by definition, the ones that are very common today.
32m ago
> i am saying that there are options to _intentionally_ be non-destructive.

Yes, techniques exist, but they are not "reasonable" here, because for these books the risk ancopyright law require them to be destroyed after the scan anyway.

The non-destructive scanning [0] was done for different books with a different legal situation, ones that did not require destruction.

[0] I think multiple HN submissions just got merged, I believe the one I was referring to when I wrote this was an ArsTechnica article with a link referencing a partnership with Hiathi Trust.

Catloafdev•31m ago
The problem is the 'options to be intentionally non-destructive' come with legal liabilities that don't exist if they destroy the original copy.
john_strinlai•24m ago
sure, i agree with that. all they content the pirated originally also came with legal liabilities.

they weighed the risk and made a decision. my comment was not calling them "crazy people" for making that decision. i thought my comment was pretty neutral.

Catloafdev•20m ago
Your comment was fine, I didn't think you were implying that at all. I was just trying to clarify that they aren't choosing to do that for arbitrary reasons.
tempestn•30m ago
But you're implying that they could use non-destructive means and choose not to.
john_strinlai•28m ago
yeah, i think they could have.

they weren't shy about pirating content before, and i think there is a decent legal argument they could have made. non-destructive scanning is also probably more expensive. so they made a business decision based on risk (and i would assume cost).

i dont think that makes them "crazy people"

basisword•31m ago
They do have the option to not destroy the books. Their hand isn’t being forced. You can choose not to be scumbags just as you can choose to use a legal loophole to rip off writers, destroy books needlessly and resell their content through your service.
Legend2440•20m ago
This benefits me personally by having the information in the books freely available through the AI, which anyone can use. I'm all for it.
qsera•25m ago
They are cheap because they are old, and people are so stupid that they think if something is old, it should be worthless.
pfdietz•16m ago
When your justification for your idea is that everyone else is stupid, maybe you need to reevaluate who is being stupid.
michaelmrose•23m ago
If we value things according to their monetary value we must conclude that Elon musk is more valuable than every teacher in Americas labor for the next decade. Economic value is oft divorced entirely from any notion of real value.

What you are describing derisively as "feels" is actually nuance the very essence of intelligence is not reducing complexity to tapioca.

Destroying the last copy of a rare book reduces the sum total of human knowledge even if its not one already of note.

Historically current thinking isn't the best and most accurate judgement of value. We cherish many works that were not notable upon publication or even in the author's lifetime.

Previously the works were distributed and hard to lose all at once now they are possibly inaccurately scanned and even that slightly lossy data may disappear all at once in a wave bankruptcy especially if the economy crashes again as seems to happen every 10 to 20 years.

I suggest you ruminate instead of patting yourself on the back

pfdietz•14m ago
Equating people to inanimate objects is a remarkable argument. How about we reject that out of hand.