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Critical CVE issued for hallucinated SQLite vulnerability

https://research.jfrog.com/post/sqlite-critical-cves-or-llm-slops/
121•ymir_e•1h ago

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inigyou•47m ago
This is going to be fun for organizations that are mandated to patch all CVEs, isn't it?
ymir_e•36m ago
This was my first thought, this could be terrible if used offensively.

The best defense I can imagine is to have an agent reproduce the issues before a human sees it, but even that will cost money.

lucideer•36m ago
I'm very curious what organisations would have such a policy. I can't imagine it being viable for any size of org without significant self-deception (or banning the use of all open source at which point CVEs are moot anyway).
SirFatty•34m ago
ITAR
lucideer•22m ago
ITAR has no such hard requirements. Might be some orgs that tell themselves they're attempting this under ITAR but they're not doing it in any comprehensive way.

The only thing within ITAR that I'm aware of concerning itself with software supply chain is SP 800-218 requirements & that's just a load of open-to-interpretation weasel words about having CVE detection & automations in place & some defined plans for reducing the number of vulns. Pretty sure that component of it is even eligible for self-assessment.

clbrmbr•32m ago
Many orgs (esp w ISO27000) have a vulnerability management policy that involves patching at least critical CVEs within a short timeline. Tools like trivvy make it possible to do the scans…
lucideer•10m ago
I've been in such an org, & I've led initiatives to set up automated detection at very large scale. We started by issuing tickets to teams to resolve CVEs within varying timelines - ranging from a 24hr fix to 6 months - connected to the CVSS score. It wasn't viable.

- Firstly, you quickly realise how irrelevant CVSS scores are - initiatives like First's EPSS are designed to fix this but they aren't there yet

- Secondly, you need to begin implementing localised heuristics to determine exploitable code paths. This has generally been incredibly difficult to do reliably - LLMs have started to make it easier, but it's expensive.

- Lastly, you need to factor in consideration of actionable remediation pathways. A dependency upgrade for critical infrastructure might contain breaking changes that take months to fix, or two competing CVEs might be present in interdependent versions of transitive dependencies in your sbom tree.

Most orgs aren't applying any of the above three filters to reduce their CVE remediation burden, & even if they are, it's still too high to make zero a viable target.

In reality, most orgs aren't doing comprehensive detection to begin with - if you haven't discovered all of your CVEs, your remediation burden is going to be a lot more manageable.

anygivnthursday•23m ago
If I remember correctly, we had to patch or provide justification for CVEs flagged by tools like AWS Inspector for SOC2 as well.
YeahThisIsMe•19m ago
So you didn't have to patch all of them.
jeltz•7m ago
Many large organizations like banks have requirements like this and they solve it through a mix of automatic scanners, e.g. Trivvy, and self-deception as not all systems are actually scanned in any sufficiently large org.
whatevaa•33m ago
Those organizations will have to adapt to new reality, ie, that some CVEs are not real.
ape4•33m ago
Create the referenced but non existent file and then fix it /s
cleansy•29m ago
All organisations also have exceptions to policies. This one would be one
inigyou•6m ago
You'd be surprised...
jeltz•4m ago
Yes, but getting an exception approved can be a huge pain in some places.
smitty1110•26m ago
It’s honestly not great. The security guys are completely exasperated at my job, we’re wasting time having with these. You take the scam really, investigate for a bit, write up a DNF with justification, they go and up date records, and we all just kinda hope that someone updates the scans so it stops showing up.

Something is going to give, and I suspect that the optimistic open filling is going to get canceled.

ChrisMarshallNY•40m ago
The problem with this kind of thing, is that it reduces the S/N (Signal-to-Noise) ratio, so weeding out the legit CVEs becomes a lot more difficult.

But, on the other hand, I do know that LLMs have been discovering a lot of legit CVEs, and I will lay odds that the blackhats are leveraging them to the max.

ymir_e•24m ago
It seems like we're in a transition period where AI will eventually make all software much more secure than it ever was.

In this period every part of offense and defensive cyber security changes quite rapidly.

Noisy CVEs will probably lead to agents verifying vulnerabilities before humans review them.

The problem with agent reviews from what I can think of is:

- cost to use LLMs to review things

- not necessarily easy to plug-and-play in repos: (domain knowledge + how to look for vulnerability specifically for the stack)

- especially with anthropic: able to use models defensively, without hitting guardrails.

The last one is the most interesting one to me. How does the AI providers know if you're a "good or bad" guy? And does it matter if open source is catching up?

We're in a kind of cyber arms race wether we like it or not.

rghammt•12m ago
Currently we either get AI promo vulnerability dumps like from Chrome with pretty graphs that no one checks or false positives.

Where is this one now that was hyped everywhere?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49133889

The GitHub submitter could no longer reproduce the issue and the LKML post has no replies:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/CALCETrXbj__SFQMzPZhES5y6-sh4np-...

dvh•38m ago
You're absolutely right...
mlvljr•36m ago
Honest take, this is a critical CVE.
Spide_r•30m ago
Somewhat related: https://sqlite.org/cves.html
Ekaros•27m ago
Not validating submissions seems like avenue for massive attack. Flood the whole system with endless false reports. Thus making it significantly less reliable.
insanitybit•17m ago
This is what the Linux kernel is currently attempting since becoming a CNA.
masklinn•9m ago
That is exactly why many big projects are migrating to becoming CNA, so that randos can’t get assigned unqualified CVEs which nobody has looked at or validated.

Apparently RedHat is a CNA of last resort, so it might be possible to get your project under Redhat’s scope and go through them without having to be a CNA yourself.

progval•27m ago
> All advisories in this repo seem AI generated when testing them with Gptzero

I pasted this blog post from "Analysis Matrix" to the end in Gptzero, and it also says the blog post was AI-generated (71% chance of AI, 29% chance of AI-Human mix).

sabot90260•12m ago
A critical rating on a vuln that doesn't exist is wild. The triage cost still lands on the maintainers.
throwa356262•12m ago
In the mean time, my very real vulnerability reports are not acknowledged because maintainers are busy handling this kind of nonsense.
trueno•9m ago
just ran this article that ran a cve through gptzero.. through gptzero

-GPTZero AI Detection

-Model 4.8b

-We are moderately confident this text is a mix of AI and human

-63/88 Sentences likely AI generated

account42•5m ago
The irony of writing an article about slop reports and then defacing it with a giant unrelated slop image at the top.

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